Thread: How are warriors after 2.1?

Originally Posted by Giantbane

And even their "DPS stance" (sword oath) now has an increased enmity component (god only knows why).

I do not see anytihng mentioned abouts word oath having an increased enmity component to it in the tooltip, nor in any of the patch notes.
Are you sure you are not mistaking the fact that Sowrd Oath Paladin's damage isn't reduced and thus, its threat gen is greater than Shield Oath Paladin?
At least in 2.0 this was the case, 2.1 I don't believe this applies anymore.

Originally Posted by Leiron

I do not see anytihng mentioned abouts word oath having an increased enmity component to it in the tooltip, nor in any of the patch notes.
Are you sure you are not mistaking the fact that Sowrd Oath Paladin's damage isn't reduced and thus, its threat gen is greater than Shield Oath Paladin?
At least in 2.0 this was the case, 2.1 I don't believe this applies anymore.

I'm going off of what Maelwys says he's experienced.

Originally Posted by Maelwys

Because with the patch 2.1, the enmity buff that was applied to Shield Oath was ALSO applied to Sword Oath.

I realise Sword Oath wasn't flagged as such in the patch notes, but this increase has been noticed and demonstrated pretty thoroughly by myself and others.

Prior to the patch, a PLD using the RoH rotation in Sword Oath generated slightly more threat than the same PLD in Shield Oath, and this is STILL the case after the patch. The only difference is with Flash - because Flash has no damage component, Shield Oath is better for generating AoE threat.

I actually had a genuine encounter where this issue cropped up on Monday when clearing Turn 4 - the other PLD was ripping threat off me on the Phase 3 Dreadnaught, despite being slightly lesser-geared and using exactly the same rotation. The difference? I was MTing in Shield Oath, he was DDing in Sword Oath.

The same threat multiplier does NOT appear to be in effect (or at least not to the same degree!) when no Stance buff is active, which would be the case whenever a WAR disables Defiance.

A War naturally generates higher ST damage on a target than a PLD does, but this is primarily due to the Storm's Eye debuff (which WARS inflict, but which also affects PLD's attack damage). If both tanks are focussing on the same target, it's pretty even with equal-gearing.

Originally Posted by Giantbane

I'm going off of what Maelwys says he's experienced.

Odd.
I've had the opposite scenario.
I've been seeing Paladin in Shield Oath being equal to or greater than that of a Paladin in sword oath during t2.
Wasn't seeing them creep up in terms of agro like they used to.
Is there a way to see the actual enmity numbers?

Originally Posted by Maelwys

Flash part

Sorry had 75 characters over the limit so I snipped you.

Thats what we did during t2.
My gear is roughly equal to the other Paladin's. (his shield was better and his gloves).
But the enmity generation for him was lesser, he wasn't generating the same amount or coming close to it.
He always dropped further and further away.

Of course judging from the other posts, he hadn't swapped from shield oath to sword oath.