Bug?

[Flyojumper]

Ok, something is puzzling me:

Leatherworker lv50, 328 control, synthetising:

- hippogryph leather (lv50 1 star recipe)
normal careful synthesis II increases progress by 46
careful synthesis II after ingenuity increases progress by 85

- dodore doublet (lv47 recipe)
normal careful synthesis II increases progress by 49
careful synthesis II after ingenuity increases progress by 43 ?!?

What's going on there? Is ingenuity actually supposed to hinder you when you use it on a recipe lower level than you? It looks like instead of decreasing the level of the recipe (or keeping it the same if I already exceed it) it raised the level of difficulty of the craft.

[Pinworms]

Why would you use ingenuity on a level 47 product when your level 50? Also control does not affect progress it affects quality. Craftsmanship is the progress stat. Is this a bug? Dunno. I do know though it's not needed in this case.

[ispano]

Read what Ingenuity does. It lowers to 3 levels below your current level, but if the item is already below, what do you think it does? Basically you get stuck on the "lowers" part when you should focus on the "3 levels below". Now is it a bug, who knows.

[Flyojumper]

Why would you use ingenuity on a level 47 product when your level 50? Also control does not affect progress it affects quality. Craftsmanship is the progress stat. Is this a bug? Dunno. I do know though it's not needed in this case.

Yeah, I mistyped I actually meant 328 craftmanship. I was using it because I was so used to my routine while crafting 2 star recipes that I used it again on the dodore doublet out of habit, but I was very surprised by those results. Also, I'm using Ingenuity I, not II. Additionally, how can I get 85 progress when bringing down a lv50 recipe to my level, when a lv47 recipe without ingenuity gives me 49 progress? The whole calculation seems wonky or the description is very inaccurate as to the actual effects of the skill. How can I progress 85 on a lv50 item with the skill when a normal progress on a level 47 item is 49?

Read what Ingenuity does. It lowers to 3 levels below your current level, but if the item is already below, what do you think it does? Basically you get stuck on the "lowers" part when you should focus on the "3 levels below". Now is it a bug, who knows.

You are describing Ingenuity II, I'm using Ingenuity, which lowers the recipe to your current level. In either cases, it still doesnt explain how Ingenuity could be detrimental to an item. Especially when you consider that using it on an item lower than me reduces the progress below the progress I get on an item my own level (43 vs 46 in initial post's example). It really looks like it made the Dodore doublet a lv53 recipe.

[Pinworms]

Ok glad that was a typo on the craftsmanship lol. You make a valid point that if the item is 3 levels lower and not using ingenuity it should be higher then your reporting since the first craft you reported is "at" your level and double. It should not be lower when you use ingenuity unless your being penalized for using it when it's not needed lol dunno. What does the other crafts you can make report?

Yah it makes the dodore seem like its level increased lol.

[Mailstrum]

if you are using ingenuity 1 then thats the reason why at 47 you get 49 and 43 after using it. Because you just RAISED the level of hte craft. you just raised your lvl 47 pattern to a lvl 50 pattern

[Flyojumper]

if you are using ingenuity 1 then thats the reason why at 47 you get 49 and 43 after using it. Because you just RAISED the level of hte craft. you just raised your lvl 47 pattern to a lvl 50 pattern

Even if that was the case and the description was inaccurate (it should then state "brings the recipe to your current level no matter its level", it shouldn't use the term "lower" if it can raise some recipes), how do you explain that the progress went to 43 instead of the 46 I get on a recipe that is actually my level?
Additionally, how do you explain that using Ingenuity and reducing a recipe lv50 to my current level (lv50) increases the progress to 85 when I normally(without Ingenuity) get 49 progress on another recipe that is already 3 levels below me? No matter how you slice it, there's some anomaly in there.

[Mailstrum]

using ingenuity 1 on a 2 star pattern brings it to a basic lvl 50 pattern thats why. Ingenuity is just worded bad. it brings the pattern to your current level

[Flyojumper]

using ingenuity 1 on a 2 star pattern brings it to a basic lvl 50 pattern thats why. Ingenuity is just worded bad. it brings the pattern to your current level

My previous point stands though, how can a lv47 dodore doublet with ingenuity bring lower progress than a lv50 1 star without ingenuity?

[Neo_Genesis]

It's most likely just because of the way the item "scaled" up to level 50... It probably is, just as you say, "wonky" because it's scaling in a way that's not intended.