Thread: New Class/Job in 2.2?

i still think we can see thief as class for the ninja, i know a lot of people don't like this idea, but it's not that strange it did already happend in the past final fantasy actually.

in the first final fantasy the thief can be upgraded in ninja

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy

in some mmorpg the animation of the same skill change when you dual wield, but that not the point, like i did say, it's greatly possible that thief will be dual wield like ninja, mostly because it's easier for them. and even if that not the case, change the animation is not the harder part behind this.

you take the example of the summoner/scholar for say that the jobs will feel the same. and it's true, with 5 skill it will look like a lot. it's why i think they need to add level before add class. for make dual class more....different. but even if that the case.... the core skill will still the be same...

other point you say that talk of the old FF games is not good too... but when you say that ninja must be dual wield and thief one handed... you are using the old Final Fantasy as basic for decide this. the point it's... they have already take a lot of liberty and make them jobs/class them own turf. the warrior, monk,... don't feel like the class/jobs they are coming from. the best example it's the warrior that a mix of the berserker and viking.

for come back to the subject.... don't hope for an add of class for the 2.2. nor that the musketeer will be the first class added. like many have said before other class are in need more than a ranged dps with a gun. tank, healer and scout class will surely be in the first line....then the musketeer will come.

indeed Yoshida has to add the musketeer, but he can decide to add it in 1-2 years who know. indeed the guild are here, indeed we have some npc using gun in the basement, but they was already there in the 1.x and nothing have change outside the fact that now the marauder and the musketeer guild are in the same building.

ps: i can understand that you really want to see the musketeer come fast, like i hope for the dancer to come to the game as a jobs from the pugilist *grins*
however, i invite you to try to search some interview of yoshida or in the old live letter for see that the musketeer it's really often asked and each time, he avoid the subject... i can understand why that, the class will need to fill a role and be different of the archer and that really hard to do.

Nothing you have said helps your point at all. All I did was explain why others disagreed with your assessment. There is relative proof backing up the claim for Musketeer, and only the claim mind you. I do not say that it will be done, but there are written hints to it with this update as subjective as they are.

Balance and what should be added is in the eye of the beholder. We have 2 of each Tank and Healer roles. In an ideal party as set up by SE for this game, you have 2 Tanks, 2 Healers, and 4 DPS. All of which we do have. So no matter what, what ever is added will create an imbalance that we already have set. I have not said anything saying that he must do anything. Its there, so I do agree that it has more importance than anything else, but I do not subscribe to "they have to do it". In all honesty, no they don't.

As for animation wise, I agreed with you on the point that the Thief can be a Dual Wielding class. Though general structure (Not just FF structure) they typically are not and a lot of people don't accept them as such either. I only explained what I saw as the reasoning behind others views. I have not a care for Melee classes. I deal with arcane classes only and I have little to no interest in leveling up the Disciple of War. I started this thread because of rumors being thrown around, another of which is a Knight or Templar of Isgardian origin, a possible second Job for the Gladiator and the Lancer if you are to believe what is being said.

I'm simply stating what has been shown by others and trying to at least get you to see what they are saying rather than you blindly ignoring everything.


When it comes down to it, I basically want, Red Mage, Geomancer, Blue Mage, Beast Master (Possibly one of the only non-Magic centered classes I'll play due to being a tamer class and I love tamer classes), and Dancer (IF AND ONLY IF Dancer is a Healing class.). I'd be willing to try Rune knight/Fencer and Mystic Knight mostly because they sound like they'd be Magic based, though looking at how the Paladin was done, I'm certain they'd be more Physical based than Magical. Sadly none of what I'd prefer to play were hinted at.

Originally Posted by XanderOlivieri

When it comes down to it, I basically want, Red Mage, Geomancer, Blue Mage, Beast Master (Possibly one of the only non-Magic centered classes I'll play due to being a tamer class and I love tamer classes), and Dancer (IF AND ONLY IF Dancer is a Healing class.). I'd be willing to try Rune knight/Fencer and Mystic Knight mostly because they sound like they'd be Magic based, though looking at how the Paladin was done, I'm certain they'd be more Physical based than Magical. Sadly none of what I'd prefer to play were hinted at.

Red Mage and Blue Mage are my favorite jobs of all time! I just really hope they don't get thrown under the bus by being based off current classes, particularly the lame GLA. It would suck to have such a lame setup of 50 Lvs and then only 5 unique actions for both jobs. RDM and BLU are far too versatile in nature to be based off the current classes which are so far set-in-stone roles.

Sure SCH is a healer but it doesn't feel THAT different from SMN when you look at the action line-up. As SCH you can pretty much do all the same things as SMN can do it just doesn't do as much dmg and you lose some very bland DPS boosting actions and the pet functions differently. However comparing the other way around it does look like SCH gained a lot over over SMN as far as what it can do. Sure both are equally effective at their corresponding roles, but really it feels more just like the stats changed more than the actual job.

Compare to CNJ and all of a sudden SCH looks like it gained 5 levels of healing instead of 50, it just happened to be on a much more versatile class that has a lot of utility actions. As much as I'm looking forward to attempt tanking on both RDM and BLU whether it will be able to or not I don't want it to be based of the GLA setup. Because compared to the the more versatile setup of ACN, GLA does not look like it will sway very much at all from tanking, and again I would love to tank as RDM and/or BLU, but just adding 5 actions to GLA isn't going to make RDM nor BLU unique enough for me.

I really hope SE makes a Fencer class and extends to both RDM and BLU off that with BLU equipping Scimitars instead and GLA would make a great cross-class candidate for either job if SE wants them to fulfill a Tank Role or support tank via Support Role.

Originally Posted by silentwindfr

in some mmorpg the animation of the same skill change when you dual wield, but that not the point, like i did say, it's greatly possible that thief will be dual wield like ninja, mostly because it's easier for them. and even if that not the case, change the animation is not the harder part behind this.

In some MMORPG, you can ride flying mounts across the map. However, this is Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn. Imagine for a moment that Gladiator turned into Ninja for some obscene reason. Would the Ninja hold the second weapon like a shield and never use it since it derives 100% from Gladiator one handed skills?

you take the example of the summoner/scholar for say that the jobs will feel the same. and it's true, with 5 skill it will look like a lot. it's why i think they need to add level before add class. for make dual class more....different. but even if that the case.... the core skill will still the be same...

Summoner/Scholar is unique in the sense that they are not the same role. Healer and DPS will not play the same because their functions are completely different. It's when you take Arcanist => Summoner (DPS) and Beastmaster (DPS) that's when the lines are blurred. 5 skills isn't enough, 10 skills may still not be enough but when you tread into 11+ skills then you can sufficiently say they are different jobs. So 4.0?

other point you say that talk of the old FF games is not good too... but when you say that ninja must be dual wield and thief one handed... you are using the old Final Fantasy as basic for decide this. the point it's... they have already take a lot of liberty and make them jobs/class them own turf. the warrior, monk,... don't feel like the class/jobs they are coming from. the best example it's the warrior that a mix of the berserker and viking.

Old FF games are what give us a basic understanding of what is to come next. FFXIV took on the Summoner approach as FFIV's SMN while Warrior didn't really exist until now where it's depicted as a Beserker. (Recall that Warrior was only a new name for Fighter from FF1 and never existed from then on afterwards.) So it's more like we don't expect Thief to come as a healer. Or Calculator to come as a tank. FFXI made the foolish mistake of accidentally putting Ninja as a tank but that simply won't happen in ARR, at least not by accident.