How To Fix Summoners

[Preservation]

What I've noticed/needs to be done
-Sleep Duration 15s
-SMR Dots-fester (Do you know how hard it is to spam leeches? How about an AoE esuna or leeches with a long cooldown...?
-BLM 40second sleep spam (I'm sorry but purify isn't going to cut it)
-Stun on holy needs to be removed imo(Its an aoe and does redic dmg anyways)
-Whm with sleep, sch's with....wait sch's don't get sleep right...
-Benediction vs Lustrate (Lustrate=You better not get CC'd, benediction = no worries about CC's)
-Why do bards suck in pvp? common throw bards a bone, I get disappointed when I get double bard parties. cause we lose 90% of the time.
-Rank 30 over powered over geared over everything versus rank 1-12 players with 1-2 maybe 3 pieces of ilvl70 gear......
Thats like telling a dog to go fight a lion, its just not feasible. The gear needs to be gimped for the average of both party's. JUST SAYIN

Anyways thats my 2 cents

[Hulk_Smash]

What I've noticed/needs to be done
-Rank 30 over powered over geared over everything versus rank 1-12 players with 1-2 maybe 3 pieces of ilvl70 gear......
Thats like telling a dog to go fight a lion, its just not feasible. The gear needs to be gimped for the average of both party's. JUST SAYIN

Yes, summoners do need to be toned down, quite a bit. Yes, Dj is obviously a beast with summoner, especially compared to the smn's in the pics posted. But, I don't feel that PvP gear needs to be toned down. That is the whole point of grinding it out, and rushing to get the best rank and gear. If you where to nerf the high lvl PvP gear, just to give noobs a "Balanced/ Fair" chance, then we all may as well just vote for the socialist, and let the Commies take over. You balance the classes, i.e, Melee DPS with Melee. You don't do it by bringing down those that put the time in, to get the gear, to the lvl of those that have not.

I am only Rank 22. If i where to go against a full Rank 30 team on my data center, my team would get crushed. No if, ands, or buts about it. And you know what, I am perfectly fine with it. When I get to Rank 30, I will expect the same. Why should a rank 30 player/ team be penalized because they are good?

On a side note, if ppl want fair and balanced gear, just que up in lvl 30 or 40 pvp. Morale plays no part in those tiers.

[TaneshimaPopura]

SMN is strong there is no doubt about that, only a full CD MRD can hope to achieve their level of Burst. Problem with MRD is target has to stay in place whereas SMN's target don't and MRD has less Off GCD attacks than a SMN which is the main shock effect of burst. MRD's only shock damage would be Full Swing but it is normally applied first, and Mythril Tempest knocks people back and is used more of a in between skill once you get 4 seconds stun upgraded which you only most of the time benefit the 2 seconds stun during a burst rotation.

Heck even a Garuda egi with Rouse and Spur is enough to smack a Bard hard enough he'd go out of LoS cause we're talking almost 1k Wind Blade crits.

[Quackley]

yadda yadda yadda

You must not have read this part:

To be fair, with no ranking system/matchmaking, screenshots can only show so much (mostly that you do a ton of damage compared to everybody else).
That said, it's really not hard to figure out summoners are over the top at the moment, but you know, that'd mean admitting it. :l

You know, the part where I said screenshots don't say that much, because there's tons of variables in play in a random match.

I'm just gonna say it.
The people defending Summoners and thinking they're not over the top, I don't think they really understand/do PvP very well.

[Akiza]

You must not have read this part:


You know, the part where I said screenshots don't say that much, because there's tons of variables in play in a random match.

I'm just gonna say it.
The people defending Summoners and thinking they're not over the top, I don't think they really understand/do PvP very well.

People defending Summoner's understand pvp it's people calling Summoner's overpowered. Summoners are comparable to Black Mages in damage assuming they have the same gear. The only way for Square to balance out pvp the way people want us to equalize the gear

[Quackley]

People defending Summoner's understand pvp it's people calling Summoner's overpowered. Summoners are comparable to Black Mages in damage assuming they have the same gear. The only way for Square to balance out pvp the way people want us to equalize the gear

If you're letting a blackmage get enough damage off to keep up with a summoner, that says enough.

At one point you compared summoner damage to a BLM spamming Flare.
Heck, mentioning ANYTHING about "spamming" flare says more than enough.

I hate to break it to you, but you're just missing something here.
That or you're "trolling" I guess.

[Jadi]

I think they should remove smn and sch from the game. problem solved.

[xxalucard]

Think im done talking on this thread. People just make new room for holes to find ways to keep summoners overpowered or whatever the cause this forumn was to give my opinion and facts behind it. People questioned the fact that i did a 2400 enkindle crit. Said it was impossible and im lieing. Then i post an enkindle crit of 2517 or something then people went another route. Im done posting on this thread its just full of trolls lol

Ok dude. I'd be done too if I didn't see there were 1000 variables to what I'm saying.

I don't want any class to be overpowered, it's just your specific ideas (totally remove enkindle) are dumb.

You're way overgeared than most people, not playing organized teams, and obviously out damaging other summoners-- the overpowered class, mind you-- by at least 3x their damage.

I didn't realize that having all i90 pvp gear vs people with no pvp gear and the right circumstances could amount to a 2.5k enkindle. I foolishly thought you'd only do tests in balanced settings (against friends with the same amount of morale as you).

I'm sure if a blm in full i90 pvp gear crit a flare on someone that has NO pvp gear, and who just popped blood for blood and had his stoneskin/protect removed, the flare would crit for over 3k. Does that mean flare is overpowered?

You have no controlled settings whatsoever. YOLO queue in full pvp gear with a friend or two isn't scientific proof that enkindle needs to be removed. If you want to nerf miasma or reduce the pet's HP or reduce it's auto attack damage, I'd be fine with that. You can't reduce enkindle without reducing flare or other huge burst skills though. I mean it's once every 5 minutes, and it's not even that much of a burst (against people in the same gear).

A video of you being super-overpowered against an organized team in full i90 pvp gear would have no "holes" anyone could work around. Proof is proof man. You just don't have any.

[FreakinZMartin]

I wish SE wasn't so bloody lazy, I can tell SMN is going to be ruined PVE wise once this next update is out, time to roll as a different class I suppose!

These were pvp matches 5 solo que (cept 2 cause ques slowed down so i grped with turtle love for faster ques)

How in gods name are you doing so much damage?!?! I've never been able to get that high before jeez

[Sunako]

like maraudens damage is any worse.. i have full lvl 70 pvp gear and still i eat those 1.8k marauden attacks... summoners just have only really good uptime all of the time , once u get rank 30 its like free win no matter what u play and how bad u are (against lower rank ppl)