How To Fix Summoners

[Djlovedrop]

This thread is my opinion on how to fix summoners but still keep them in PvP. The biggest thing right now is being able to global someone from 100% health to 0% in matter of 1-2 seconds. I have played 2,000 matches as a summoner and I feel that these are the changes needed.

1. Completely remove Enkindle. Don't work around it lower the damage or anything. Just remove it. I have killed a healer before with Enkindle, Aetherburst, and energy drain. Making Enkindle weaker wont stop another energy drain + Ruin 2 which is only 1.5 more seconds added.

2. Remove resurrection from summoners. Being able to Swiftcast resurrect your healer every minute is ridiculous. Taking this out will make double summoner not impossible to down since you have to down all 3 people or there can easily be a comeback.

3. Put Energy Drain on a GCD with the rest of your abilities. Being able to spam Energy Drain + Ruin 2 is ridiculous. Being able to keep moving while spamming those two buttons is to much.

[KoujiGeki]

yay more nerf caster!

[Muziko]

1. In your scenario, you say you killed a healer with Fester, Enkindle, and Energy Drain. I'm going to assume you mean killed them with the burst damage of those actions altogether, meaning you used Garuda. Garuda's Enkindle Potency is 250. That is less powerful than the max damage Fester you miraculously managed to pull off, meaning all your dots were also applied and doing massive damage. Enkindle was just icing on the cake. I dare say that healer would have been screwed if you had just used Fester, Ruin II, and Energy Drain, not to mention Garuda's additional DPS and cast interuption.

2. Let us not remove Resurrection from Summoners and have a DPS or Tank kick the crap out of any rezzed player. That could work, too.

3. Keep Energy Drain the way it is, it's tied to Aetherflow, meaning that you can only use it 3 times in a minute.

[KairaZ]

1. Well why would I want to summon a pet then? 200dmg every 3sec isnt worth to summon it >.>
2. Why? We dont have anything special except this? Heal reduction? Oh wait WAR has that too... Root? Oh wait BLM and Healer has that too.
3. Its fine like it is since like Muziko said we only have 3 Aetherflows so yeah

I know we need some nerfes but ur suggestion arent a good solution ...

[Sunako]

Summoner have cds that boost pets dmg like 2x at first then u can do like 1.4k Garuda crit with Enkindle. I would remove that Enkindle too and make pet dmg more sustained instead. Changing combat ress for the defensive dispel like Esuna would be good idea too?

[LongNu]

This thread is my opinion on how to fix summoners but still keep them in PvP. (SNIP)

Your post is actually reasonable. Who would've thought someone can admit their class is overboard? Thank you.

[Venom]

I think SMN needs a tone down, not to be ruined. Enkindle shouldnt be allowed, I agree. Stop Miasma 2 spam also. Anything more is overnerf.

[xxalucard]

Your post is actually reasonable. Who would've thought someone can admit their class is overboard? Thank you.

If that's reasonable they should remove Life Surge + Full Thrust from Dragoons, since that does more damage than either Enkindle or Fester. Who would've thought someone with even stronger burst abilities agrees with the OP?

Also to the OP: Funny how you play 2,000 matches yet still claim the impossible. A summoner cannot kill anyone in 1-2 seconds. You have to first set up all 3 dots (at least 7 seconds even with swiftcast) buff your pet with rouse + spur (which take at least another 3 - 4 seconds), and then not be line of sighted (either you or your pet) or interrupted (you or your pet), and crit the majority of your burst, along with getting enkindle off during rouse + spur (you only get 1 shot at it since it's a 5 min CD).

- Pretty sure any DPS that uses all it's burst CD's and crits the majority of their attacks can kill someone in around 15 seconds of uninterrupted/unhealed damage.


Yes let's remove the battle res, so that all pvp matches become a game of "who kills the other healer first" 100% of the time. In fact why not remove Virus and Eye for an Eye as well, hell get rid of the summoner's pet altogether. Let's just get rid of all the utility until it's a weaker version of BLM minus the overpowered 30 second sleep everyone seems okay with.

*shakes head at community*

[GeeGizzle]

well, a scholar + 2 summoner cheese set up, vs a random melee pug isn't much fun at all. u are ok with it, because u run the set up... play something other than that comp and go up against it and see how much fun you have watching your debuff bar filled with dots and disease over and over on u as u can never get in range to a slow moving death. and when u finally do, they get insta rezzed and and start the process over. utility is one thing, utility while hitting for 400+ while spamming disease on the target + pet damage is dumb. call it what you want.

[LongNu]

SNIP

My class isn't overpowered. Good try though.