How To Fix Summoners

[LongNu]

This thread is my opinion on how to fix summoners but still keep them in PvP. (SNIP)

Your post is actually reasonable. Who would've thought someone can admit their class is overboard? Thank you.

[xxalucard]

Your post is actually reasonable. Who would've thought someone can admit their class is overboard? Thank you.

If that's reasonable they should remove Life Surge + Full Thrust from Dragoons, since that does more damage than either Enkindle or Fester. Who would've thought someone with even stronger burst abilities agrees with the OP?

Also to the OP: Funny how you play 2,000 matches yet still claim the impossible. A summoner cannot kill anyone in 1-2 seconds. You have to first set up all 3 dots (at least 7 seconds even with swiftcast) buff your pet with rouse + spur (which take at least another 3 - 4 seconds), and then not be line of sighted (either you or your pet) or interrupted (you or your pet), and crit the majority of your burst, along with getting enkindle off during rouse + spur (you only get 1 shot at it since it's a 5 min CD).

- Pretty sure any DPS that uses all it's burst CD's and crits the majority of their attacks can kill someone in around 15 seconds of uninterrupted/unhealed damage.


Yes let's remove the battle res, so that all pvp matches become a game of "who kills the other healer first" 100% of the time. In fact why not remove Virus and Eye for an Eye as well, hell get rid of the summoner's pet altogether. Let's just get rid of all the utility until it's a weaker version of BLM minus the overpowered 30 second sleep everyone seems okay with.

*shakes head at community*

[LongNu]

SNIP

My class isn't overpowered. Good try though.

[Rawkzor]

My class isn't overpowered. Good try though.

Agreed. Pretty sure Life Surge + Any DRG skill does not deal nearly 2k damage in a single attack. SMN can deal very high burst damage with multiple skills.

[Slib]

While I agree summoner burst is insane, so is the burst of bards (x2) when synced right.

Currently I am getting quite used to summoners if you preemptively begin to esuna when dots are being applied.

My only other issue is the stacking disease healing reduction with warriors healing reduction. A 300 cure 2 is pitiful and then on top of that you can't cast while being hit makes that utterly painful. You either use your purify to get rid of all of those debuffs (assuming you can't esuna or leeches due to possibly 10 debuffs on you at that time) or need to save benediction for that point.

Also, the other silly thing is double Heavy. I've used stone 1 on someone when they were Diseased from a summoner ally. The weight effect even stacks. This should be fixed also.

Thats my thoughts x.x

Those are my thoughts.

[Djlovedrop]

Also to the OP: Funny how you play 2,000 matches yet still claim the impossible. A summoner cannot kill anyone in 1-2 seconds. You have to first set up all 3 dots (at least 7 seconds even with swiftcast) buff your pet with rouse + spur (which take at least another 3 - 4 seconds), and then not be line of sighted (either you or your pet) or interrupted (you or your pet), and crit the majority of your burst, along with getting enkindle off during rouse + spur (you only get 1 shot at it since it's a 5 min CD).

Then you must have not tried the burst combo of Spur rouse on pet and time it correctly with raging strikes and enerydrain + aetherburst with ruin 2. I have played my last 400 games doing this and won 392. litterally have sen gurada enkindle crit for 2400 and energy drain for 1k. leaving aetherburst and ruin 2 left to finish the remainding health. Any healers in my Data center know exactly what im talking about.

[dsingh]

I've witnessed this madness. Love you Dj, but FFUUUUUU~

[xxalucard]

Then you must have not tried the burst combo of Spur rouse on pet and time it correctly with raging strikes and enerydrain + aetherburst with ruin 2. I have played my last 400 games doing this and won 392. litterally have sen gurada enkindle crit for 2400 and energy drain for 1k. leaving aetherburst and ruin 2 left to finish the remainding health. Any healers in my Data center know exactly what im talking about.

Screenshot / video of a 2400 enkindle happening even once? I'll hold my breath

[Nenin]

Screenshot / video of a 2400 enkindle happening even once? I'll hold my breath

Why would a 2400 Enkindle be hard to believe?


Correct me if I'm wrong but Rouse + Spur adds 80% damage and the Garuda Enkindle has a potency of 300. Flare is 260 potency and gains +80% from Astral Fire III. It's not uncommon for me to crit upwards of 2,000 with Flare even though my gear is far from the best.

I wouldn't be surprised if both abilities could break 3,000 in an ideal scenario. You are decked out in fully melded rank 30 gear with Raging Strikes and a HQ Mega-Int pot up. Your target is some dps with terrible PVE gear who used Blood for Blood and was hit by Full Blow + Phantom Dart + other crap.

[Rawkzor]

Screenshot / video of a 2400 enkindle happening even once? I'll hold my breath

Do I need to share my collection of tremendous SMN crits?