SMN - Pet Questions

[ManaKing]

So I've been dragging my heels on my SMN to play my DRG and now that my DRG is iLvl90, I'm playing it again and noticing things have somewhat changed.

Garuda > Ifrit

1. Contagion above average great and Radiant Shield a complete mismatch.
   
2. Garuda works with For Requiem while Ifrit works with Dragon Kick.
   
3. Garuda work off of spell speed vs Ifrit works off of skill speed(why?).

Does Ifrit at least put out more personal DPS than Garuda? It seems unlikely since the more high level gear you have, the higher the chance that spell speed will randomly be on it.

From where I'm standing, Ifrit looks terrible. And that seems weird since one of my 5 SMN job abilities were used to get him.

Any comments would be appreciated. Sorry if this has been posted before, search gave me a lot of things on ifrit and garuda ex this morning.

[KoujiGeki]

no ifrit is terrible never summon it ever. Garuda does slightly less damage than ifrit but makes up for it with contagion which makes your dmg stronger. = Profit

[DBthaONE]

Using base damage Ifrit does more as he also does a basic attack every 2-3 seconds. Honestly I think it's more of personal preference. I like using Ifrit more than garuda, especially since his ultimate does more damage and attacks a target rather than just around himself. Remember they're two different jobs. This would be like saying BLM is better than MNK. Both have their roles to fill.

[Aphrini]

Honestly Ifrit in this game is the same as every single FF game before it. You use him til you get better summons and you never use him again. Sure in FFVI it was AWESOME when you got him and Shiva but it wasn't long before you lawled in his face as you rocked Bahamut. FFXIV went the way of FFXI Garuda ftw!

[Aphrini]

Please don't use Ifrit >.<, the only time it is ok is in PVP I have read because he chases and harasses the mages but I have not done any PvP so I would not take that to the bank. However no SMN that knows the best rotation and job set up would ever suggest as it stands using Ifrit.

[KoujiGeki]

Using base damage Ifrit does more as he also does a basic attack every 2-3 seconds. Honestly I think it's more of personal preference. I like using Ifrit more than garuda, especially since his ultimate does more damage and attacks a target rather than just around himself. Remember they're two different jobs. This would be like saying BLM is better than MNK. Both have their roles to fill.

not really even Topaz carby does better than ifrit, trust me Contagion > ifrit. your holding the party back with Ifrit especially if its a fightneed stun that ifrit spams that cancels out plds stun which is better than ifrits stun.

[Madoka]

Ifrit has higher potencies but his attacks rely on your strength and attack stats. Garuda's attack has less potency but hers relies on your magic stat and int. Garuda's 100 potency wind blade will hit for 200+ while Ifrit's 120 potency move will hit for 120 and his auto attack for 60ish for me. Along with that his main attack is on a 4 second timer instead of a 3 second timer as it should be, so he lets it out slower. With both on Obey Garuda does slightly more dps (like 3-5, pretty tiny) but contagion weighs far too heavily in Garuda's favor for nearly every encounter.

Ifrit is useful in PvP though since he has an auto attack.

[Perne]

It makes you wonder how they are going to balance future egis and how they are going to make them useful for future encounters.

[Kevee]

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Just as a note, Ifrit does scale off of INT.

However.

-Ifrit does less DPS than Garuda unless on Sic, where he's equal(but uses a stun and AoE)
-Ifrit is melee
-Ifrit uses Skill Speed and DK rather than Spell Speed and Foe Req

What I see some people do that I would not recommend, unless the fight is less than a minute long, is having a MNK and starting with Garuda. They would Contagion their RS DoTs, and then Swiftcast Ifrit for Rouse+Spur+Enkindle, and keep Ifrit out.
DK does have 100%, or close to it, uptime, so generally Ifrit in a balanced party will do more straight DPS.
However, this doesn't factor in repeated Contagion use(esp. with Foe Req), uptime on the mob due to ranged/melee issues, and uses a lot of MP. While we don't bottom out nearly as fast as before due to losing Thunder, we still have MP issues.

[Madoka]

Oh he does scale on Int? Pretty sure he uses our attack stat instead of magic though. Otherwise his 120 potency move should be hitting for much more than it does.

MP is definitely an issue in extreme primals. AoEs for garuda, Ruin2s on gaols for titan while getting thrown around.