Increase rewards for losing team

[Alkimi]

People need to stop getting hung up about bots. They're in every arena type setting in every game and shouldn't be an excuse to punish players who are just trying to slowly farm some gear to become competitive. Let the devs work out another way to get rid of them. Besides, in over 100 matches I cant say I've even seen one.

The problem with the PvP is that it's endlessly spammable and players who have been grinding it out since the first day of patch are just facerolling pickups leaving them to think "what's the point?" and then you wonder why queues are so long. We'd not done much PvP since patch so we gave it another try and faced the same 2xSMN SCH pickup tank team 6 times in a row. I bet their queue time was hideous once we gave up.

If it was my call I'd increase winning rewards to about 600 xp/marks (10x current amount) and losing rewards to about 250 xp/marks (25x current amount) and use a ticket system so you can only have 1 or 2 competitive matches per day, with any other entries just being a practice mode. But it's a bit late for that now...

[realistic1]

I completely disagree with your opinions on boters.

Which opinion- that bots can result in a team losing or that we should not provide bots extra incentive (higher reward for loss) as it will increase the amount of bots we are seeing?

[Deelo]

How about you just start playing better and winning? I can't believe this is a real thread.

[Farrell]

Why not take levels or maybe even gear into account? If you are level 2 and fighting a lvl 30 team maybe you should get a bit if you lose. If you are level to and lose to a level two you probaby are fine as is.

[Imapooonu]

Which opinion- that bots can result in a team losing or that we should not provide bots extra incentive (higher reward for loss) as it will increase the amount of bots we are seeing?

The later.

[Alhanelem]

botting is already a problem and making losing more rewarding would make it worse. It also makes winning feel less rewarding when you know someone can get almost as much as you can without having to put any effort in, because it doesn't take any effort to lose.

[realistic1]

The later.

When considering illegal actions (bots, hacks, ect,), it often comes down to the benefit outweighing the risk for many people. The risk seems fairly minimal right now as I see the same bots day after day even those that have been reported. Increasing the benefit (marks for losing) will certainly make that risk worth taking for a lot of people that are currently not botting right now.

[Imapooonu]

When considering illegal actions (bots, hacks, ect,), it often comes down to the benefit outweighing the risk for many people. The risk seems fairly minimal right now as I see the same bots day after day even those that have been reported. Increasing the benefit (marks for losing) will certainly make that risk worth taking for a lot of people that are currently not botting right now.

It would be pretty ignorant of me to say your concern goes without merit. I'm not saying that, I'm only saying the concern seems slightly overblown.

I'd say if there were an increase in bot sightings, it would go from an appearance rate of 1% to 1.125% respectively.

Bot sightings from my experience and from the apparent experience of most other forum members is minimal, almost non-existent.

If the problem with bots were to increase ten fold because of an adjustment like this, then SE would have an entirely different problem.

[Kabooa]

"The losing side doesn't need incentive to keep playing."

Warhammer.
Aion.
Basically any two-side PvP game or system ever.

There is literally no argument against losers getting 10%, 25%, 50%, or even 100% of the rewards winners get other than "I won so I want to be geared better and win more."

If PvP is about the spirit of competition, any attitude, system, or argument that supports a system that at its core stacks the chance of winning in any scenario to one team or another, the spirit of competition is dead. In a community that's already prone to being toxic, this kind of mentality only furthers that.

Everyone wins, everyone loses. There's literally zero reason to reward one over the other when you need both to have a game, when the rewards translate into actual power.

[Alhanelem]

There is literally no argument against losers getting 10%, 25%, 50%, or even 100% of the rewards winners get other than "I won so I want to be geared better and win more."

So are you saying we should give super bowl trophies to the losing teams in the NFL? because people who win don't deserve to be rewarded?

If gear is the problem for you, then play lv30 or lv40 cap where that's mostly taken out of the equation.