Wanting to trade/sell sleep

[realistic1]

Will trade sleep for the ability to cast/attack while moving. Willing to trade for heavy defense & multiple instant stuns with 10 seconds damage resistance. May trade for several instant attacks that actually do damage (definitely if they silence or bind). Will trade for a pet that heals me & teammates or the ability to instant rez & do major damage with pet. All classes have their advantages & disadvantages. Instead of looking at a specific ability & crying that it is OP, look at the entire class picture and mitigation. Even though I am a blm, I face the same chance as you of coming up against a blm or whm with sleep & those CCs impact me the same as you. I see no issue with sleep when looking at the entire picture & existing mitigations (avoidance, purify, esuna, leeches, diminishing, black drops, materia) so I will trade my sleep (& the bounty on my head that goes along with it) for any of the above - all reasonable offers will be considered.

[Quackley]

This isn't gonna be received well. :l

[realistic1]

This isn't gonna be received well. :l

Of course not, how many forum poster ever see the actual point of a post?

[Rawkzor]

Because nobody gets hit for 700+ non-crit Scathes, ever. Oh wait, I do. Even with over 200 Morale, I find myself asleep, slowed, or rooted for the majority of fights against SMN+BLM. It's not just me. BLM has a lot more power than you think, if you want "more instant cast abilities" and the ability to cast while moving. Not to mention 3 different forms of CC, with Heavy, Bind, and Sleep. Maybe you're not using your procs right, or sprinting enough?

[realistic1]

Maybe you're not using your procs right, or sprinting enough?

I am, and of course, you missed the actual point of the post.

[Nenin]

Because nobody gets hit for 700+ non-crit Sears, ever. Oh wait, I do. Even with over 200 Morale, I find myself asleep, slowed, or rooted for the majority of fights against SMN+BLM. It's not just me. BLM has a lot more power than you think, if you want "more instant cast abilities" and the ability to cast while moving. Not to mention 3 different forms of CC, with Heavy, Bind, and Sleep. Maybe you're not using your procs right, or sprinting enough?

Do you mean Scathe? It won't 'hit' you for 700+ unless they have Raging Strikes up, a HQ Mega-Int Pot, and you've been hit by Full Swing. Depending on the BLM's gear you might also need Blood For Blood up or Phantom Dart. Even then it only has a 20% chance to hit that hard (100 potency normally, 200 potency 20% of the time). With all those buffs and debuffs Scathe is the least of your worries though. A hardcasted Flare + instant Fire III will deal anywhere from 3k to 6k+ in the same situation.


To the OP, BLMs would still be focused down even if they didn't have Sleep for precisely that ^ reason. They could remove Sleep, Freeze, Blizzard, and Blizzard II and you'd still see BLM>SMN>Healer>... kill orders. A BLM left alone can quickly build up the highest spike damage of any job/class and BLM damage suffers the most from spell interruption so it's a no-brainer.

BLM was probably meant to be a glass cannon and it plays like one. We don't have much in the way of defensive abilities but having Sprint and Aetherial Manipulation makes the situation tenable. As a final note, Sleep doesn't really affect BLMs the same way it does others because BLM is almost always the priority kill target. You CAN chain sleep a BLM but people very rarely do.

[studionevermore1]

I think this could start a flame war of epic proportions

[Rawkzor]

@Nenin, Yes, I did mean Scathe. I forgot what it was called at the moment I was typing. I realize it only has a potency of 100, but also caster weapons have far more damage on them. I have seen SMNs hit for almost 2k with crits. It's more than possible for a Scathe to hit for 700 with buffs. You don't need food+pots+buffs+enemy debuffs to land that much damage. The point was that BLM does have a lot, and the OP clearly isn't making use of their tools.

I agree with all of the other things you said. On a side note, if the Defense / magic defense added by Protect even affects damage taken in PvP, SCHs protect doesn't add M.Def, so there's that to factor in as well.

[realistic1]

The difference being, you are a BLM, so your team will always have it.

The discussion is not whether a BLM has sleep, it is that sleep is not OP. I do not have one advantage over you regarding how the CC being discussed impacts me and chances are, there will be a sleep on the opposite team- 50% chance on heals plus blm class. We are discussing whether or not the CC is too OP for game, not who has it.

Sleep and Weight are two of the only status effects that last longer than 12 seconds, and even really call for the reduced cooldown on Purify.

Great, then I would recommend saving purify for these two things (I would prioritize sleep) and not wasting it on issues that do not really call for it.

[realistic1]

If you get Swiftcast Sleeped, Purify out of it, and get put to sleep again, you're still asleep for 15 seconds.

All healers have a sleep removal so 15 seconds is not the only option. Most of the time I have sleep readily removed by pug healers. I can honestly say that in almost 200 matches I have never had a 30 sec cc and I remember less full 15 sec CCs than I can count on one hand. Chalk this up to luck of the good healers in all my pugs, skill, or sleep not being OP. As you know, I side with the latter. Sleep has never been a big issue for me even though I am often the target of enemy sleeps due to my CC ability. The only time I am not a priority on sleeps is when I am a priority for kill which does happen quite often.