MAJOR song missing - Bard - everything else is great

[Pookums]

We are missing one really important feature... a song that helps melee DPS. Right now we have a mana song + a song to buff casters DPS.... Paladins benefit from the mana song but unless you are a range caster of some sort, the fate requiem means nothing to you.

Why do we not have a choice of a dps enhancing (direct damage.. or physical damage) song?

Seems sort of unbalanced and encourages groups to avoid having a melee person in the party if a bard is present... or vise versa!

All other changes in 2.1 seem fine to me so far though!

[Kevee]

TP Song. It's just not viable to provide it solely for 1/2 people, at max(and reduces your damage), when you can either increase magic damage(2-4, at no personal damage reduction), or give MP(healers, rezzed SMN/SCH/WHM, increased AF uptime for BLM, etc).

Other classes provide debuffs for respective damage types. There's no double-dipping.

DRG provides Piercing(BRD and DRG)
BRD provides Magic(BLM, SMN, WHM, SCH, Garuda-Egi)
WAR provides Slashing(WAR and PLD)
MNK provides Blunt(MNK, Ifrit-egi, Titan-Egi)

[RyuDragnier]

TP Song. It's just not viable to provide it solely for 1/2 people, at max(and reduces your damage), when you can either increase magic damage(2-4, at no personal damage reduction), or give MP(healers, rezzed SMN/SCH/WHM, increased AF uptime for BLM, etc).

Main problem with the TP song is that we can't see other players TP, so we don't know when it's the right time to use or anything. I'd personally prefer if they gave 10% less physical resistance debuff to the Rain of Death, up its TP cost, and call it a day.

[Kevee]

Main problem with the TP song is that we can't see other players TP, so we don't know when it's the right time to use or anything. I'd personally prefer if they gave 10% less physical resistance debuff to the Rain of Death, up its TP cost, and call it a day.

You don't have to see their TP.

All physical classes run out, and especially in endgame gear/SS stacking, and even more-so if they ever AoE. Are you ~3-4 minutes in or so of constant fighting? You can be sure that they will need some TP.

Can't have that unless you remove all the debuffs from other classes.

They don't want to do that. It's called class synergy, and they don't want complete dependence on one single class. Giving BRD that would make them required.

Remember, BRD isn't a support class. It's a DPS class that has support skills, just like every other DPS class. Sure, they have "more" support than others and do less DPS, but they're still a DPS class.

[Thorauku]

.Remember, BRD isn't a support class. It's a DPS class that has support skills, just like every other DPS class. Sure, they have "more" support than others and do less DPS, but they're still a DPS class.

How I wish those naive people would see this.

[Venom]

You don't have to see their TP.

All physical classes run out, and especially in endgame gear/SS stacking, and even more-so if they ever AoE. Are you ~3-4 minutes in or so of constant fighting? You can be sure that they will need some TP.

Can't have that unless you remove all the debuffs from other classes.

They don't want to do that. It's called class synergy, and they don't want complete dependence on one single class. Giving BRD that would make them required.

Remember, BRD isn't a support class. It's a DPS class that has support skills, just like every other DPS class. Sure, they have "more" support than others and do less DPS, but they're still a DPS class.

You missed the POINT! TP song is the Melee version on Ballad. There is no melee DPS boost from BARD like there is Casters. Often classes manage their TP well and as you stated, isn't worth using with the 20% DPS loss.

[Venom]

How I wish those naive people would see this.

That isn't exactly true, no matter what PT I am in, at end game I am usually having to support with Foe or Ballad. We are a hybrid of DPS and Support.

[Kevee]

You missed the POINT! TP song is the Melee version on Ballad. There is no melee DPS boost from BARD like there is Casters. Often classes manage their TP well and as you stated, isn't worth using with the 20% DPS loss.

TP song boosts DPS if you're bottoming out, the same way MP song boosts mages bottoming out, and extends AF cycle for BLM.

There isn't one for physical because it's already provided by other classes(read my first post), plus there just isn't one for casters. It lowers a mobs resistance, it's not a buff that boosts damage.

DRG provides Piercing(BRD and DRG)
BRD provides Magic(BLM, SMN, WHM, SCH, Garuda-Egi)
WAR provides Slashing(WAR and PLD)
MNK provides Blunt(MNK, Ifrit-egi, Titan-Egi)

They manage it because they would bottom out faster, otherwise, and they can't AoE like a mage can.
It's not worth it because people don't form a party around it.

That isn't exactly true, no matter what PT I am in, at end game I am usually having to support with Foe or Ballad. We are a hybrid of DPS and Support.

Foe Requiem doesn't lower your damage.

Ballad is rarely needed. Only for specific purposes(WP speedruns), if people dun goofed(using too much mana/needed a battle rez), or on longer fights like Twintania(which, when used, you aren't doing damage anyways[divebomb transition]).

You are supporting just as much as other DPS(except for maybe DRG, although they can cross-class Mantra, and Slow has a niche use on Garuda). MNK has Mantra, Blunt debuff, and an INT debuff. SMN has an AoE root, Eye for an Eye, Virus, heal debuff/heavy, slow, and battle rez. BLM provides an AoE sleep, AoE root, a (currently) useless elemental resistance buff, and an off-GCD Slow/Heavy.

Every DPS has support skills. That doesn't stop them from being DPS.

[Illa]

All I really see here is BRDs crying and whining, because they don't have a DPS song, but they do in fact get Disembowel from DRG for their Piercing damage up. It's just not enough. Unfortunately for you, you're a DPS class with heavy amounts of utility. If you don't like it, then play something else. TP Song is great; it may suck for you, but it helps the raid. Doing maximum DPS and being #1 is great and all, but what really matters is that everyone in the raid does their part and assists getting the boss down. BRDs really hit it home here, but they always have to go and cry, because nothing is enough for them.

[Thorauku]

That isn't exactly true, no matter what PT I am in, at end game I am usually having to support with Foe or Ballad. We are a hybrid of DPS and Support.

If Foe or Ballad are the only skills that's making Bards a "support" class, heck A Summoner can offer so much more. Eye for an Eye, Virus, Shadow Flare (Slow), Ruin II (Blind), Miasma II (Slow), not to mention Resurrection, the only DPS class that can resurrect in the middle of battle, yet no one called them a (let me use your words) "Hybrid of DPS and Support" class.