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    Quote Originally Posted by KamikazeMan View Post
    ARR is still relatively new. Give it till the 4th or 5th content update before expecting that kind of variety. Right now it seems like they're just rushing what they can out the door.
    XIV is 3 years old. Gear and stats used to have much more variety and room for customization and they made the explicit design decision to dumb and simplify it all down. It's not something that will just get better in time. They remade the entire game and that was something they REMOVED on purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcshiggs View Post
    Not sure if you are up to date, but in August the released a Final Fantasy XIV: A Real Reborn, it is a new game, it is built in the same world at a different time, that's how we kept our original characters, but it is a new game. Saying this is the same game as the one that released three years ago is like saying Final Fantasy XII and XII-2 are the same game, same world, returning characters, different time, and different game.

    Wrong. That's why ARR is version XIV 2.0 and not ARR 1.0. ARR was NEVER billed, stated or advertised as a new game but a relaunch and update of the old one, and that's exactly what it is. So not sure if YOU are up to date but it's time for ignorant people to stop using this excuse because it's utterly fallacious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PallasLloyd View Post
    Wrong. That's why ARR is version XIV 2.0 and not ARR 1.0. ARR was NEVER billed, stated or advertised as a new game but a relaunch and update of the old one, and that's exactly what it is. So not sure if YOU are up to date but it's time for ignorant people to stop using this excuse because it's utterly fallacious.
    I dunno, this one is tough. It is an update, but an update means that the old content is there to enjoy, yet all of it has been wiped. But I guess progression is retained, maybe? This particular game is a very strange example.

    I mean, by that logic, the remake of a movie is not a new movie, just an updated old movie. But tell that to the umpteen spidermans and the Hulks and Batmans.. Fairly confident you'd get that they're new movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KHShadowrunner View Post
    I dunno, this one is tough. It is an update, but an update means that the old content is there to enjoy, yet all of it has been wiped. But I guess progression is retained, maybe? This particular game is a very strange example.

    I mean, by that logic, the remake of a movie is not a new movie, just an updated old movie. But tell that to the umpteen spidermans and the Hulks and Batmans.. Fairly confident you'd get that they're new movies.
    Movies are not really comparable to software.

    You can completely refactor and change the design of a piece of software and designate it a new version and it is still considered the SAME program.

    I don't see anyone claiming the Windows OS is only 2 years old because that's when version 8 was released. It's not tough. It's a well-established principle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PallasLloyd View Post
    XIV is 3 years old. Gear and stats used to have much more variety and room for customization and they made the explicit design decision to dumb and simplify it all down. It's not something that will just get better in time. They remade the entire game and that was something they REMOVED on purpose.
    Are you forgetting that a majority of that time was spent remaking XIV practically from the ground up? It's not like they were sitting around just working on content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KamikazeMan View Post
    Are you forgetting that a majority of that time was spent remaking XIV practically from the ground up? It's not like they were sitting around just working on content.
    Yet somehow in the process they had the time to remove quite a lot of stuff present in 1.23 or reallocated it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KamikazeMan View Post
    Are you forgetting that a majority of that time was spent remaking XIV practically from the ground up? It's not like they were sitting around just working on content.
    I respect that, and they did an amazing job. I am just noting that there are issues that I think are systemic. Some people have noted the removal of complexity as a design intent. I just wonder how simple they intend the design to be and if they consider the current situation to be a success. If so, I don't know what kind of long term character development opportunities there will be in the game.
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