Whats the big issue with dps pulling mobs?

[Caraway]

A lot of folks have given a lot of good reasons why it's generally a bad idea to be pulling as a DPS.

It screws up pacing, it screws up cooldowns, it screws up rotations, and it just generally screws up the run when everyone's running around like headless chickens.

It would be different if DD players in this game had any decorum at all and knew to run to the tank when they get aggro, or knew to switch targets when they have too much aggro. But no, people who play DD in this game seem to think it's WoW and tanks have magic "I have all aggro now" buttons and that it is solely the tanks job to manage aggro in a fight.

Point is, DPS is easy. You just need to stay out of bad stuff and DPS most of the time. Tanking and healing are more difficult for obvious reasons and if you want to encourage people to do those two jobs more, stop doing things to make them want to quit.

This is pretty bullshit in this game especially. There are so many fights in FFXIV where the DD roles are the lynchpin of the fight. Good luck meeting those DPS checks without them. Good luck managing key adds without DPS. This isn't a game where your DD can't just sit back and blissfully hit their rotations.

Truth is, in a lot of boss fights the tank has it incredibly easy. We get to sit put and spam our hate combos on a single mob and the majority of the time their AEs won't target us; they'll go after the heals/DD. Yeah, we tanks have a lot of work getting the party to the boss but once we're there? We get to have a pretty easy time of things for the majority of boss fights.

I'd say healers probably have the hardest job in this game with constant streams of damage being applied not only to the tank but to DD as well, and also having to get what DPS in they can.

I think some dps are use to other games when a range dps job was to pull to split up stacks of mobs and if you got more mobs than intended someone would cc the rest.In this game people just want to tank and spank.I would even get yelled at for using sleep on my blm to make runs go smoother(not talking about speed runs).

You can still do that in this game, but personally I think the only class that should be even thinking about it is the bard. A ranged standard attack has longer reach than a tank's ranged attack after all and it is negligible amount of hate generated. As long as the bard realizes they can't immediately start unloading this method of pulling can be safe.

It is sad though that this game doesn't seem to have any ability or need for splitting pulls, considering everything is linked.

[Axidrain]

A lot of folks have given a lot of good reasons why it's generally a bad idea to be pulling as a DPS.
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i agree, from hard to easiest. healer>melee dps>casters>bards>tanks

[Marleytiva]

This is pretty bullshit in this game especially. There are so many fights in FFXIV where the DD roles are the lynchpin of the fight. Good luck meeting those DPS checks without them. Good luck managing key adds without DPS. This isn't a game where your DD can't just sit back and blissfully hit their rotations.

Truth is, in a lot of boss fights the tank has it incredibly easy. We get to sit put and spam our hate combos on a single mob and the majority of the time their AEs won't target us; they'll go after the heals/DD. Yeah, we tanks have a lot of work getting the party to the boss but once we're there? We get to have a pretty easy time of things for the majority of boss fights.

I'd say healers probably have the hardest job in this game with constant streams of damage being applied not only to the tank but to DD as well, and also having to get what DPS in they can.

...Have you even completed anything passed Titan HM? There are a few exceptions but the majority of the time I'm just as mobile as the DD. Tanking is also a helluva lot more than "just spamming hate combos". Proper timing of your cooldowns, mobility, and keeping tabs on your co-tank etc. is more than "just spamming hate combos". DDs also aren't the "lynchpin" of the fight. Every person in that group has a role to play, you aren't going to complete Coil without Tanks or Healers.

Healing is actually pretty chill if your group can dodge, but there are exceptions.

[Xieveral]

There's a difference between accidental aggro and deliberate pulls.

Trigger-happy DPS are welcome to tank what they pull.

[Amyas]

There's a difference between accidental aggro and deliberate pulls.

Sometimes not so easy to tell x-x I once blatantly let a dd die in pre-nerf AK when they accidentally aggroed a dullahan thinking they had pulled it on their own, came off as a real d***.

[Sapphic]

There's a difference between accidental aggro and deliberate pulls.

Trigger-happy DPS are welcome to tank what they pull.

XD.

What I say "You pull it, you tank it". A good DPS works with the tank, optimizes their DPS yet still controls enmity. A bad DPS only thinks of their own epeen.

[Krsnik]

If I'm tanking, I'll let the DD know if they should pull something.
If I'm a DD, I'll let the tank pull unless they tell me to pull something.

There could be a lot of factors why they're waiting in between pulls. Maybe they're waiting on TP. Maybe they're waiting on MP. Maybe their controller died. If they're pulling slowly ask them polite why.

It's not just simple courtesy to let the tank pull, it's so the pulls are controlled as much as possible. At least if you let the tank pull, you know the tank is ready. If not, then you're just making everyone's job that much harder.

I like to mark trash mobs before my pulls. If a DD pulls when the mobs aren't marked, then I have to run in and pull the hate off the DD, and chances are the healer gained aggro, then now I have to run back and forth between the healer and DD, along with marking targets, at the same time re-establish hate. Most likely, I'll be spamming Flash, so now my rotation is screwed up.


TL: DR: Let the tank pull so at least you know they're ready, and they can control the situation right from the start. It makes everyone's job that much easier.

[MomoOG]

The way I see is if dps is geared enough to both pull aggro/tank the mob, stay alive, and kill it faster then its perfectly fine. This obviously applies only to content which you outgear because otherwise dps is not going to survive tanking the mob. Anything that makes a run go faster is not a problem in my eyes and I play both tank and dps.

[Yukiko]

The way I see is if dps is geared enough to pull both pull aggro/tank the mob, stay alive, and kill it faster then its perfectly fine. This obviously applies only to content which you outgear because otherwise dps is not going to survive tanking the mob. Anything that makes a run go faster is not a problem in my eyes and I play both tank and dps.

This!

Please check gear before juding.
Easily to survive up to 3 trashmobs in lower dungeons solo!
The question you should ask is: Does he harm the group or not?

[IveraIvalice]

Quite honestly it's just rude and insulting. It's just one dps saying (in my mind) that they can do my job better then me. Many here have stated very good reasons why it's bad, some don't mind when a dd pulls as long as they can handle it. The bottom line is, the tanks job is to tank, the healers job is to heal, the DDs job is to do damage and the whole party's job is to work together, so let's keep it that way. If you got a suggestion for doing it different, speak up, it's not hard
But don't take it upon yourselve to decide for the party, or your gonna have a bad time