Whats the big issue with dps pulling mobs?

[Maero]

I just really hate when healers pull mobs and it has happened many times
I actually stopped being tank at lvl40 pld, went dps and never went back
Usually just bind targets if it gets away from tank but as archer and even blm it is so easy to get more hate then tank

[JPPILIP]

Like stated before the biggest problem is pacing as a tank by the first mob or two you become fully aware of the capabilities of your party I.e. how many mobs you can handle, how much the healer can heal for, and the rate of burn. These are things as a DPs that you cannot notice as well as a tank could. Now you have to also factor in positioning of enemies (such as the morbols in aurum vale) so as to have them facing in a certain direction so their woes do not affect anyone other than the tank.

Myself I don't save DPs who pull ahead of me (unless we agreed ahead of time) and if things get crazy because they do my first priority is to protect the healer. DPs have the easiest job in the game why would you wanna make things any harder than need be just stand back and kill the targets that are marked for you and please kill the target marked 1 before moving on to 2 don't worry about when the tank moves on to the next target we are usually doing this to get a head start on building aggro

[Dale]

This isn't a troll thread. its an honest question. I find that one of the biggest complaints about dps is pulling mobs (the other being not dodging aoe). Since I am a melee dps, i find myself doing it often when our tank is not going fast enough and our aoe isnt being optimized.

So serious question, whats the problem with a dps pulling mobs? cant the tank just pull aggro again?

It's bad because it's discourteous to the tank, who is responsible for keeping you and the party safe. So let the tank pull. If you want to take the front, roll a tank. Otherwise it's your job to avoid aggro, not actively seek it out.

[Inquisitor]

If you like to be the one doing the initial pull then I suggest you start leveling one of the tanking class. You'll have near instant queue times and get bonus rewards. The downside is you have to deal with mouth-breathers who don't care whether or not you're ready for the pull and think aggro is something only the tank should be concerned with.

[MirielleLavandre]

When I'm tanking, if a dps chooses to pull instead of me, even if it to 'optimize' their own dps or whatever, I will let them die. If they do it more than once, I'll politely apologize to the party and either vote kick or leave. Tanking is stressful enough as it is - having someone try to dictate the pace of the dungeon without knowing all that goes into tanking is beyond annoying. OP - I think the best way to answer your own question is to take either your lvl 15 MRD or your 7 GLD and start tanking those first few dungeons. Hopefully you get a bard or BLM in your first Sastasha or Tam Tara and when/if they help you out by pulling for you, you will then have the answer to your own question.

[Virin]

Only thing that annoys me is when I have to range pull using provoke and dps, usually a bard, unloads on it before it is even in range for a shield lob/tomahawk let alone any other skill. Guess what? Provoke is down you deal with it smashing you in the face now

[Lukahn]

White knight much? There is a "correct" speed. It's the speed agreed upon the team members, or at least the majority of them. These occasions that im talking about are mostly when we agree pre dungeon that we are doing a speed run and the tank doesnt do it. And i have never been inconsiderate about it. Whenever i pull, i make sure everyone in the party is well equipped and able to handle a speed run. If three people go in expecting a speed run and the tank isnt doing it, then im not the one at fault.

White knight? No. There was nothing in your first post that implied this very specific scenario. For all we knew, you were saying that you just pull things when you think the tank was going to slow in every single dungeon. I figured it could be a misunderstanding.

[nitram]

Funny thing about all the awesome dds that think they are so good you throw them the first dmg check the game has to offer and they fail miserably.

[Sunah]

I may be reading to much into it, but something about your post rubs me the wrong way. It's like you are implying that your speed is the "correct" speed.

Honestly speaking, the DPS cannot tank. So the tanks speed is the ONLY speed. Just ask politely if he can speed it up because the healer and DPS can handle it. I'm pretty sure he will do so. If not and hes being a dick about it, hey by all means do what you can to piss him off haha.

[Avalon_Albrook]

Honestly speaking, the DPS cannot tank. So the tanks speed is the ONLY speed. Just ask politely if he can speed it up because the healer and DPS can handle it. I'm pretty sure he will do so. If not and hes being a dick about it, hey by all means do what you can to piss him off haha.

This.

As someone else said above, we tanks, for the most part, can judge with great accuracy the strength and capabilities of a party very quickly into a run based on what we see. Sometimes, we're wrong and we overestimate or underestimate, and that's fine. Communication is key, and a good tank can/will adjust accordingly to what a party can handle as long as the tank himself can handle it.

You may not think we're watching what the DPS attacks first and focuses on, or if they're splitting attacks against multiple mobs, how fast they burn something down, if they're watching aggro meters build for them or not, and that we're watching the healer's preference of doing damage and healing only when necessary for spikes, or if they're a constant topper-offer, if they're regen- or medica-happy, etc. -- but we do. We notice all of that, and we notice it right away. That's part of our job. That all plays into how much we pull and how fast we do it and how we manage what we pull. Unless we ask you to grab something for us specifically, do not break the rhythm we're setting. Sometimes, that rhythm is moreso for the tank than the party, like if you're barely in AK gear tanking a run with everyone else in lv90 gear.

Yeah, there are plenty of douchebag tanks that just want to be uppity and sensitive if one word is said against them, but there are also plenty of us that take the job of party protector seriously and strive to execute that with the utmost consistent success. A DPS pulling will piss us off so badly because you are robbing us of the ability to control the situation and your own safety, which threatens the entire party. So unless you love suiciding on mobs, don't do it.