Whats the big issue with dps pulling mobs?

[ShinigamiB06]

This isn't a troll thread. its an honest question. I find that one of the biggest complaints about dps is pulling mobs (the other being not dodging aoe). Since I am a melee dps, i find myself doing it often when our tank is not going fast enough and our aoe isnt being optimized.

So serious question, whats the problem with a dps pulling mobs? cant the tank just pull aggro again?

[KHShadowrunner]

They can once, every... minute? 2 minutes? And it puts them a hair ahead of you. doing something as simple as tossing a rock pulls hate back off you, and then you have to hope that the emnity generation of the tank outweighs your own (Which shouldn't be a problem... until 2 people are doing it)

I have no qualm with it, poop happens, what bothers me is when they take hate and then continue to assault. It's fine if someone takes hate, it happens. But if you're not the tank yet tanking, auto-attack until you lose the hate, or get Covered.

[Feilina]

Pulling by intend = fine
Pulling only to speed up for you = Aggro is BoP

Sure, if the tank has fallen asleep i have no harm, but otherwise try to be a group player and let have all people with you the fun they "paid" for.

Never, never ever pull inital aggro not being able to stan. Running my Druid in countless hests an often let DD use their pots, cause I was busy healing the tank...

[snowybell]

Usually it happens in WP. The tonberry sometimes gets aggro on my drg. Not really an issue. Some tanks just leave it alone.not gonna die from that.

[KHShadowrunner]

Usually it happens in WP. The tonberry sometimes gets aggro on my drg. Not really an issue. Some tanks just leave it alone.not gonna die from that.

You should always fear the tonberries...
.... fear the tonberries ....
.... fear them ....

[gadzi_h]

I haven't tanked that long only around level 20, but it is a huge issue because DPS are squishy. By pulling a mob you are risking a few things.

1) Pulling a chained mob
2) The possibility of your dps creating enmity that outpaces Flash. (if you have a cross class ability like quelling strikes which lowers enmity it is not as bad). This usually happens when a dps keeps attacking like KHShadowrunner suggests.
3) And burdening the party by creating more work for both the tank and the healer.

At higher levels I don't see as much of an issue when you get high enough level additional skills like shield oath and sword oath can do wonders. I guess the main issue though is social convention, the tank wants to be the tank.

[Cobayn]

As a tank it annoys the shit outta me.

Problem is, most people who do it are trying to force the group to go at their own speed, decide by themselves what the group can and cannot handle and usually pull a mob THEY can't handle long enough for the tank to get back aggro on it, if the tank even realizes another mob's been pulled.

In short people do it without warning. If you think the group can handle more, say so. The tank will pull more and everyone knows what to expect. This is teamwork, not you (whoever) running a dungeon with bots.

Let's just show basic respect for each other: this is OUR group, not yours. Every one of us has their role to play.

But when it happens and you (whoever) can't handle the mob: I'll just let you die. Sorry XD

[Welsper59]

lovely words

This is very much it. Not to mention the DPS love to unload immediately, either because the mob has been in play for a while (at least a few seconds) or because they just want to.

DPS: "y u no tank mob? noob"
Tank: "provoke on cooldown from the last time you did this a few seconds ago"
DPS: "jus hit it"
Tank: "hard to build threat when you keep kiting and unloading on it"

I think that's a pretty common situation for tanks that deal with unplanned DPS pulling.

[Dreamer]

As a tank it annoys the shit outta me.

Problem is, most people who do it are trying to force the group to go at their own speed, decide by themselves what the group can and cannot handle and usually pull a mob THEY can't handle long enough for the tank to get back aggro on it, if the tank even realizes another mob's been pulled.

In short people do it without warning. If you think the group can handle more, say so. The tank will pull more and everyone knows what to expect. This is teamwork, not you (whoever) running a dungeon with bots.

Let's just show basic respect for each other: this is OUR group, not yours. Every one of us has their role to play.

But when it happens and you (whoever) can't handle the mob: I'll just let you die. Sorry XD

This is pretty much my exact feelings on the matter. Very well said.

[Lukahn]

If you are pulling because the tank isnt fast enough, there is also the chance he might not be ready, and you die. Even one death because of this blows your optimization argument out of the water. Though I do think there was a big boost to some of the emnity builders for the tank classes.

I may be reading to much into it, but something about your post rubs me the wrong way. It's like you are implying that your speed is the "correct" speed.