The Letter is up

[Biggs]

1. Drop the "Battered wife syndrom" it's flat out insulting

2. I've explained this before but I feel no remorse or sympathy, or "Loss to the community" when someone stands up and sais "I'm out!" If you think the current player base aside from being a great place to get feedback from. Aside from that we are an extremly small "Few thousand overall?" fanbase. If everyone left for good there is still a good chance SE would continue work on the game and still re-launch it without us "Battered wives"

Overall we are not the crowd SE is trying to please in the end, they want a game that will detract people from WoW, Aion, whatever other MMO they are playing for a fresh experience. While it may be much harder to do without the grass roots word of mouth of the ultra faithfull playerbase. I can guarantee you there will still be plenty of people in this game to spread the word when the game gets good. People who cry and quit for any reason get nothing from me asides a "Hope you find something you do find fun in the future" because if they are not having fun right now, they SHOULD leave.

When someone leaves the game in a fit of rage they were never "The community" they left the community as soon as they decided the game was too much shit for them to handle anymore "The community" is no worse off when they leave. As for the "Cheering on our own demise" What can we as players do for that person? Plead them to stay? Plead them to just "Wait it out" Why in gods name would we do that to someone who doesn't want to play anymore.

If someone wants to quit, let them quit. If the game somehow fails because of that it's not our responsabillity as "The community" to try and keep dissenting members around, they are more poisonous to "The community" when they are bitter and want to leave the game but are just hanging around for some stupid reason. SE will never get the feedback they want from them, and they will never contribute to the community ever again, because they don't want to be here.

I think anyone who has "Battered wife syndrom" should pack up their shit and leave, your not doing us or the game any good. You do more leaving the game than you do playing it, at least when you leave your telling SE "This game is not good enough for me to even stay with". That is the loudest message you can send to SE not "This game sucks! I'm going to post on these forums and tell everyone IT SUCKS!"

Actually, I was commenting on those that are cheering on the quiters. Its not my job to try and keep people interested in the game, but being someone that wants to see the game do well, anytime I see someone quit, I feel it is a shame. The battered wives comment was in regards to SE amping up stuff only to then release it with large amounts of dissapointment by the fan base. That sort of thing can only happen so many times before people do leave. Do I understand that SE can't please everyone? Absolutely. It is not realistic. But that doesnt mean I dont have empathy for people that were excited about something only to be crushingly dissapointed with it.

Lastly, I am actually glad you feel insulted by the battered wives comment. It shows that, contrary to every post I have read by you, that you are in fact capable of feeling something. Your 375 posts so far have only demonstrated what a douchebag you really are, and this post is your crowning achievment in that regard. Congrats.

[Jynx]

Your 375 posts so far have only demonstrated what a douchebag you really are, and this post is your crowning achievment in that regard. Congrats.

So I'm a douchebag for not agreeing with your pitty party your throwing for people who quit? Got that right then I guess. I was also unaware that my bestiary topic was the epitomy of douchebagery. I don't see many people who are "Crushingly" dissapointed with the outlook of this patch, aside from a few trolls and the odd person who was reaching for the stars.

But get back to me on that when you find some people who are "Crushingly dissapointed". You yourself admit that SE can't please everyone, what you don't notice is that a majority of the posters here fit into the catagory of "People you can't please" SE could make the game perfect and I'm sure we would still see a large chunk of posters scoffing at their attempts to please them.

Calling someone a douchbag is the epitomy of a straw man. Your running out of reasons to insult me so you just drop the reasons and just call it out, good for you. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean your a bad person or an idiot.

[Jynx]

Have fun with that then~

*edit*

Trust me buddy

I'm not your buddy, pal.

[Xenor]

Nope. I didn't/don't play a ranger in XI and I'm perfectly happy to not have auto attack on my favorite XIV class. Don't speak in absolutes, you will always be wrong. (See what I did thar? :P )

Yeah but you're the kind of player who is against auto attack in general. There's no logical reason why archer should be excluded from auto attack over say a lancer. None at all.

This already exists, which you should know being level 50 archer, it is called Trifurcate. I'm also ok with it getting a cooldown. Many archers spam attack too much anyway and take hate when they shouldn't be. Since I am not one of them, a cool down won't impact me.

Multi Shot will receive a cooldown whether Trifurcate exists or not. There's no other way to balance this when stamina isn't there. A lot of skills that rely on stamina as cost will be changed as a result. Expect Shrieker to be changed too. Currently it's 500 TP with a high stamina cost, it would simply be over powered if the stamina cost wasn't there. The list could go on, all classes will see these changes.

Sweet. I'm kinda tired of everyone bandwagoning on my class simply cause it is OP right now. Maybe this will make people move on to another class and I can look forward to being the only archer in the party again.

You're rank 34 dude. Yet you're accusing a guy who was 50 ARC before you even started playing of being a bandwagoner. You're a funny onion. Do continue. I'm sat here making wind crystals and bored as hell.

why is it so hard to imagine archers wanting to have control of there arrows more than auto attack would allow them? Being able to nock a specific number of arrow to increase damage but not steal hate or to nock to max to finish off a mob before a lethal WS at low health.

What about Bind? Why give them a skill they would automatically break themselves? Archers are dependant on positioning, giving them a meele option would be mainly curcumstancial like when it's not possible to move far back enough to use arrows effectively such as in a small area with multiple agressive monsters. People are in a uproar over nothing.

It's downright hillarious. People are suddenly acting like pressing 1 to attack is a chore now when we have been doing it for months. People haven't even asked obvious questions like.

1. Will Archers attacks be more powerfull at range to compensate for the "Possibly" slower pace of combat for them.

2. What will be the "cooldown" timer on our basic attacks?

3. Will we get more skills that require the abillity to choose when we attack "IE: more charge style skills"

Nope everyone is like "WAAAAAH I'm not part of the AA update" even when you are, the abolition of the stamina system will be a boon to archers just as much as anyone else. Archers who decide they want to meele all the time will find no place in parties and the cycle of darwinism will take effect. Don't get mad when you have no idea how the new system will actually effect you. If anything this was done to make sure Archers don't get nerfed with skills like Multi-shot. I'd rather have control over how many arrows I nock instead of converting it to a random WS.

So you're basically saying archers aren't getting auto attack because of Multi Shot? Can you not think for one minute outside the box about how Multi Shot could be changed to work with auto attack? I've already said that they HAVE to add a cool down to it, more changes to it wouldn't hurt.

I don't want extra control over my arrows, what do you think I'm going to do every half second, ask myself "Ooooh should I press 1 now?! Hmm I don't know". I don't need any more control than the guy prodding it with his lance.

If you're playing your class right you won't be using Multi Shot for every damn attack. The stamina used is more than the cost of just hitting 1. Multi Shot works best at the end of a TP regimen when your stamina bar is full and if you're lucky you'll get it at the top of a light regimen. For the rest of the time you're hitting 1 and the odd ability, just like every other non-magic class.

Bind is a non-issue, the ARC skill for bind is useless and even if they make it useful you're rarely going to be using it anyway. Certainly not enough to justify removing auto attack. That lancer dude could just as easily break your bind. Or are you trying to tailor the game to solo play again?

Right we get it, you don't want auto attack, some lancer might not either. Therefore we should both be able to agree that a toggle is the best solution. Apparently in WoW right clicking a mob makes you auto attack it. Anything would work.

What makes them different is that Hate control and positioning is far more important to Archers hence being able to remain locked onto your target while cooling off your emnity or knocking arrows for a large attack your not constantly garnering hate to pull off the tank. It's not as large an issue when the marauder draws hate because he is still goin to be within meele range of the monster.

From previous dev comments Mob ranged attacks may be going the way of the Dodo, and the last thing I want is archers blaming auto attack as to why they are ping-ponging the mob between them and the tank. Much like mages, Archers should be far more concerned about positioning than they are auto attack.

Thats my opinion though, it's far beyond multishot and bind.

SE are adding a hate meter so you will know exactly how much hate you have compared to the tank. Managing hate on ARC is already easier than any other non-tank class due to Chameleon. With a hate meter that skill should ensure you never get hate as an ARC unless you pull off something big at the top of a regimen. That's going to happen regardless of auto attack because it's WS damage not basic attack.

Never do I have to put my bow away or stop tapping 1 during NM fights right now (except hate reset on buffalo where everyone stops DDing) because I manage my hate fine. Auto attack isn't going to make me attack more frequently than current so it's a non-issue.

if you dont like how archer playes just dont play archer, imo this is final fantasy and this move follows in the steps of its mmo origins which is XI so it just seems perfectly fitting to me.
I was high lvl rng and loved the style in that ff so I wouldnt expect archer in this FF to be any other way.

FFXIV should not be FFXI-2. It should be taking the best bits from FFXI and building upon it, improving it and doing it better. Do you really want FFXIV to be a game that belongs in 2003?

>.> that was a accident i ment it seemed Xenor was trolling
I agree with you 100% =P

WTF? I'm trolling because you don't want auto attack? Do elaborate.

The purpose of giving archers a melee autoattack is to give them some means of defending themselves when the mob loses bind and charges up close.

I LOLed. How am I going to defend myself with a knife for example? If I'm getting that desperate I'll hit Quickstride and run. In reality I can currently solo rank 64 mobs (and probably higher) by shooting them with my bow. I've even backup tanked Dodore when the tank died. Getting hate isn't a life or death situation for ARC in this game like you make it out to be.

lol if that's how you play archer you must be one sorry archer. Here's how I play and you can use your imagination to fill in what abilities are where.

2 2 3 4 5 1 6 (maybe 7 if TP) 8 3 1 2 2 (4 or 5 if ready) 1 [repeat]

Look at all the 1s I have in there. All three of them. Play another job, dood.

WTF are you using then? Because you're getting what, 250 TP every 5 or 6 actions? Your LS must love you with your input in battle regimens once every five minutes.

At the end of the day I'm using all my attack/accuracy buffs and other ARC skills at optimal times yet still find time to build TP by spamming 1. I don't know what you're doing wrong if you can't manage it.

I dont really use that much light shots to build tp, i use multishots, and most of the times i get to use 7-9 different skills before i get back to a light shot, in my opinion archer is the only job that worked correctly for me, i really was against autoattack for archers and im glad it doesnt range AA..

Why do you do that? Light shot * 3 is more cost efficient than Multi shot * 2 + light shot to fire it. You should be stacking those attack buffs to your WSs in regimens rather than using them on standard attacks. The buffs will add more damage to your WS than they will your light shot and you will incap the mob faster.

On the rare occasion I have an attack buff and there's no regimen coming up I'll stack it with Trifurcate. I'll only use Multi Shot during a long fight if I have full stamina otherwise it's just not worth the cost.

I'm not even looking at it from a grinding or farming perspective where I'd always open with Multi Shot *2 with a buff because that's just filler gameplay. What matters is how you perform in a team against mobs that matter.

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean your a bad person or an idiot.

I'll look into it.

[Jynx]

Bah~ forum ate my post. Lets just say your post overall brings up some perfectly good points for allowing AA on Archers, while it may not be my idea it does point out some issues that Archers might have with not having it.

I'm a bit more "On the fence" with the issue than I was previously, but I'm still leaning towards keeping it off for Archers mainly due to "Ping-ponging" issues. The hate meter "Totally forgot about it" does remove alot of the need to be concerned but SE has also stated they will be changing hate generation formulas as well. So I'm still concerned that the new system might make Archers a more prime target to mobs even with a competent tank, considering Archers are one of the highest DPS classes available right now.

I'll look into it.

I'll be sure to pass this on to the dev team.

[Wynn]

Xenor, I just want to point out two things.

1. I agree with you multishot will get a cool down. Not arguing that one bit.

2. Not accusing you personally of being a bandwagoner. Sorry if my post somehow construed that to be the case. I was basically just making a comment that I wouldn't mind if more people stopped playing the class. Lots of people are playing archer right now. It is very OP. I anticipate nerfing at some point, but I digress. Groups of 6 archers are no fun so if this pushes some people away from the class, in my opinion, it is welcome.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

people get way to worked up on this stuff, I have decided to not fight at all till the patch, I will be working on my crafts, and playing other games till the patch.

[Xenor]

Lots of people are playing everything right now because SP is so easy to get. Most people who have been playing since September are now sitting with four rank 50 battle classes or more. When everyone can be everything the only way you won't have a party full of ARCs or whatever is by balancing the classes so that one DD class isn't more powerful than another.

I think THM is more powerful than ARC anyway. I doubt my ARC could solo the high rank NMs yet there's videos of THMs doing it on Youtube. I'm 50 ARC and 46 THM (my sig keeps going back to an old cache for some reason) yet I've no problem with nerfing them into line with other DD classes. It's easy to say they should boost the other classes instead but that would cause headaches for the dev team who has to buff all the mobs to compensate.

[Wynn]

I think THM is more powerful than ARC anyway.

I agree with this.

[Joeking]

I agree with this.

I disagree, Nerf Arch & Con leave Thm alone.