[Request] Please up the ilvl requirement for Pharos Sirius

[Havenchild]

This dungeon is clearly unfavorable to be done with none decent gear. At an ilvl req. of 48, we currently have fresh 50's trying to farm this dungeon for gear in duty finder. Problem is majority of this dungeon is dependent to some degree on DPS.

First boss fight for example, the longer this fight drags on, the harder it is to maintain both with the debuff stacking, and dogs increasing in number. Flailing DPS cannot handle this.

Second boss, similar issue with adds.
Fresh 50's (no relic, no AF gear) make this dungeon overall unbearable.

I'd personally recommend an ilvl req of at least 60, preferably 65.

Why not make it 85? I mean okay the items that drop in there are just 60, but why making sense if we can make things just faceroll easy. Pwah...let's make it iLvl 120 so one can solo it.

In hindsight, I was hasty with that, I'd say 55-58 then, considering 60 gear drops there.

[Muzy]

On the one hand, I do agree that it does have some walls that gear definitely helps over come, putting it at a higher requirement than Titan HM is wayyy over kill.

But honestly, it's more of a skill check than a gear check, it is a hell of a lot easier than people think, so long as people pay attention and do their jobs. First boss spawning adds too quick? Slow DPS and kill adds, then work on boss, too many debuffs? Dodge more and focus on the adds more.

Second boss, problems with adds? Slow DPS on boss and focus on adds.

Problems with Tyrant? Kill adds instead of ignoring?

Siren? Kill Zombies, interrupt Lunatic Voice, dodge her feral lunge, pay attention to debuffs and start healing that charmed person right away, make damn sure people run in for mass charm.

Yes, with less geared people it will take longer, but it's fully doable so long as people are doing what they are supposed to and know how to play their class.

[Wobi]

This dungeon is clearly unfavorable to be done with none decent gear. At an ilvl req. of 48, we currently have fresh 50's trying to farm this dungeon for gear in duty finder. Problem is majority of this dungeon is dependent to some degree on DPS.

First boss fight for example, the longer this fight drags on, the harder it is to maintain both with the debuff stacking, and dogs increasing in number. Flailing DPS cannot handle this.

Second boss, similar issue with adds.
Fresh 50's (no relic, no AF gear) make this dungeon overall unbearable.

I'd personally recommend an ilvl req of at least 60, preferably 65.

Then they would need to up the gear level that drops from here as a result, otherwise why do it at all?

Also from what I've heard the Siren is designed to spawn zombies at certain HP levels, if you burn down the her down too fast you can get overwhelmed. I first did this with all relic/allagan geared people and they were spawning in waves more or less non-stop. The mid-boss is a bit over-tuned however.

[Amyas]

What is this.. I don't even...
lvl 60 gear drops from PS @-@

I've tanked it with two fresh 50 DD in af just fine.

[Muzy]

What is this.. I don't even...
lvl 60 gear drops from PS @-@

Yerp, people just expect to be able to brute force everything

[Havenchild]

Yerp, people just expect to be able to brute force everything

It's not as simple as a brute force everything. It's quite possible that in DF, your running with DPS that literally can't kill one dog before the next set spawns. Putting aside where the 60 gear drops, its not only from Pharos Sirius either. There's gear dropping not so different, in AK, WP etc. Of course people are going to say something like "I ran with two fresh 50s and I had no problems at all", because its completely practical that it happened.

But people with all whites in Pharos Sirius? If you can honestly say running with a tank with 4400HP and DPS both with full whites (no relic) is completely possible 100% of the time,I'd implore anyone to tell me the secret to this.

Of course it's doable, that doesn't mean its viable. The same way housing prices and saving up for them is doable, that doesn't mean the prices aren't outrageous.

[Amyas]

Of course people are going to say something like "I ran with two fresh 50s and I had no problems at all", because its completely practical that it happened.

Of course people are going to whine about something like "I ran with two fresh 50s and I had so many problems because gear", because its completely practical that it happens like that every time.

"I'd implore anyone to tell me the secret to this."

Stop being a baddy. Its incredibly easy when people know what to do, regardless of gear. Hell I ran it with a 4k hp tank last night and had 0 problems whatsoever other than me being stupid on the Roc as a dd and accidently killing an extra egg with an autoattack while tabbing through.

[Havenchild]

Stop being a baddy.

Stop being a baddie? What does me playing WHM in a run and keeping everyone alive as best as humanly possible ( mind you me being the last one alive, since I know everything about the dungeon for the most part) have to do with upping the ilvl in a dungeon that's a clear uphill struggle for people undergeared without a shred of DL on them or AF gear on them? You do realize that as a battle drags on damn near forever, MP doesn't magically appear out of thin air. You do run out of MP.

Sitting comfortably at 4.6k MP, and knowing quite well how to solo heal things like Titan HM which require being quite careful with MP usage, whats being a baddie have to do with anything?

Don't try to hurl irrelevant insults that don't even apply to this.

Of course I have already done runs with undergeared people mainly in whites, and HAVE finished the run. It OBVIOUSLY is possible. That's not the point here. The uphill battle is still quite present.

The difference between someone with just whites/ maybe a few level 55 gear, and someone with say a relic and some DL gear is clearly noticeable when watching DPS. Not because it makes the fights super easy because even in the latter, its still a struggle here and there sometimes, but because things do not drop fast enough before something like a healers MP runs out. I'm not sure how much Cure I's I'd have to use just to get that free MP for Cure 2 just to save MP, or not using a Medica I until more then 3 people were under say 75% HP. There's only so much you can do.

People talk about fresh 50s without AF gear. How is this possible? The lvl45 and lvl50 class quests get you that gear for free.

I was unsure about this myself for awhile but a lot of it is basically fate rushed people who don't bother with job quests before getting DL gear. Not every class has skills worth getting. So I'd imagine they gear directly for DL gear instead since the AF would be replaced anyway.

[Madoka]

Most of the adds spawn on hp%s, so faster dps will get overwhelmed more easily. When I go in there I don't do my full dps rotations or else we'll have 12 dogs or 8 eggs hatching at once

[KiraJ]

I'd personally recommend an ilvl req of at least 60, preferably 65.

Why not make it 85? I mean okay the items that drop in there are just 60, but why making sense if we can make things just faceroll easy. Pwah...let's make it iLvl 120 so one can solo it.