What Content NEEDS Two Tanks?

[Jubez187]

So ever since I've hit level 50, every 8-man content has been one Tank (who is usually overgeared) stealing the show. Being the off-tank is legitimately like being in the friend-zone. You're perfectly capable of being a good boyfriend, but there's this one guy you can't get rid off who always takes the girl's heart. And when the bad guy breaks up with her, you're the one that has to comfort her.

Even a lot of Party Finder groups are set for 1 Tank and 5 DPS. Should SE focus on making more 8-man content multi-tank friendly?

[Raagnar]

Coil turn 2, ultima hard mode, and garuda ex all have tank swap mechanics. if you don't swap at certain points youll die

[Jubez187]

Coil turn 2, ultima hard mode, and garuda ex all have tank swap mechanics. if you don't swap at certain points youll die

Nice! I'm excited to check those battles out. Also a quick question, in Ifrit HM isn't it ultimately better for the Paladin to MT over a warrior? If Pacify does work on eruption, then you're basically never going to let one through (he'll use eruption immediately once the Pacification ends, so you pretty much have a timer on it).

[Raagnar]

PLD don't use shield swipe on him they use shield bash. its a stun used on the GCD, other job stun have their own CD timer so pld can stun eruption better then war. but I think they added stun resistance to ifrit in 2.1 so im not sure anymore (haven't tried it since the patch)

I would also like to add its useful to have an offtank on king mog imo. keep the war and pld moogle away from everyone, they use aoe a lot.

[Jubez187]

PLD don't use shield swipe on him they use shield bash. its a stun used on the GCD, other job stun have their own CD timer so pld can stun eruption better then war. but I think they added stun resistance to ifrit in 2.1 so im not sure anymore (haven't tried it since the patch)

Okay I'm level 50 I know what shield bash is. I'm just saying, in theory, using 1 Shield Swipe silences him for 6 seconds, and he'll have either Plume or Eruption queued up for when it ends. So right when the Pac ends, you'll get a surefire Shield Bash.

[Niytshade]

Ifrit has stun resistance since before this patch. Yes usually the pld is on stun duty since their stun is more readily available than the warriors. Also most groups like 2 tanks in Garuda HM to hold one of the sisters off to the side while the dps focus down the other. Can it be done without a second tank? Yeah but only if your healers are uber awesome

[Raagnar]

Okay I'm level 50 I know what shield bash is. I'm just saying, in theory, using 1 Shield Swipe silences him for 6 seconds, and he'll have either Plume or Eruption queued up for when it ends. So right when the Pac ends, you'll get a surefire Shield Bash.

I guess im not sure why you are even using pacify, you are pointing out the problem with it. and I know there was stun resist before but I heard they added a shorter timer to it building. pre patch you could time it so you never get stun resist.

Also I was referring to garuda ex spiney plume. if mt gets 3 stacks he dies so ot usually takes it at 2, but I suppose anyone could. OP asked about offtank and I was just naming a few that require it.

[peaches]

So far all 8 man content I've played requires 2 tanks in 2.1. Ultima, Garuda Ex and Titan Ex. We use 2 tanks for moogle, not sure if its 100% required though.

[Jubez187]

I guess im not sure why you are even using pacify, you are pointing out the problem with it. and I know there was stun resist before but I heard they added a shorter timer to it building. pre patch you could time it so you never get stun resist.

You would use Pacify for about 3 reasons (assuming it works): 1. He can't use any skills during the six seconds. 2. Different DR than Stun. 3. ninety-nine percent chance that he will use an ability once it is over, this gives you time to prime yourself for a sure-fire cancel.

[Baci]

Pacification usually works like this: If it can be applied to a Boss, it wont interrupt the skills/important skills or the Pacification debuff will just be resisted.
Also you can only use Shield Swipe after an succesfull Block -> makes it unreliable.

The need for 2 Tanks would be Turn 1,2,4 the new Extreme Modes Garuda, Titan, Ifrit. King Mog could be maybe outgeared, for lower Itemlevel groups most likely 2 Tanks.