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    Elementals, I was just talking about those fellows in another forum.

    They do not fit the measure of any of the traditional biological subsets (Wavekin, Beastkin, Cloudkin, Scalekin). They could be argued to be of a type of Spoken, though I'm certain that they are not Ashkin (they do not profile as classical undead). I'm thinking they can't fit a heading like Forgekin, so the closest they come to Bloodless Regnum is Soulkin, but Ferne's early words on Soulkin and their beholden nature makes me wonder.

    I will say that the Regnum of Transcendent has a fascinating name. Voidsent is but a Class to the larger Regnum. At present on my notes I have placed as an uncertain field a regnum Primal, with classes of Elder Primal and Primal.

    Long story short, I've made up my own fields at present. I currently have a class of unknown bloodless simply known as Elementals that includes Elementals proper and Elemental Sprites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RolandDebreton View Post
    They could be argued to be of a type of Spoken
    They certainly do speak... Hmm...

    Quote Originally Posted by RolandDebreton View Post
    The closest they come to Bloodless Regnum is Soulkin
    Before we knew what that meant, that was our first assumption about elementals; I've since backed off that idea, as well.

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    I will say that the Regnum of Transcendent has a fascinating name. Voidsent is but a Class to the larger Regnum.
    This is an interesting thought, actually. Both the Version 1.0 game mechanics and the list provided by Fernehalwes implied that the 3 Regnum / 11 Class system could accommodate all of the mobs existent at the time, which included both primals and elementals. But let us pretend that this isn't the case for a moment... Voidsent transcend our realm, but the Great River of Aether, the Lifestream, transcends the corporeal, as well. We're told that revenants and bogies are spirits that never found their way back to the stream and must be sent from the corporeal realm. What if there was a second class of Transcendent or Bloodless for beings of aetherial coalescence? Primals, sprites, elemental spirits...

    I certainly can't add it to the chart, because too quickly does speculation become fanon, but it's an interesting idea.


    Also, I found the source for the tidbit about the Voidsent umbrella I mentioned earlier:

    Quote Originally Posted by What's On Your Mind
    Very little is known about the void other than that the laws that govern our realm do not always apply. In addition to one-eyed monstrosities, peculiar balls of fur, and nightmarish demons, oddities such as floating orbs of energy also periodically break through the boundaries that separate this realm from the void. Make no mistake, however, everything through those rifts does not belong in Eorzea and must be destroyed.

    To reply to Kyan's Void-related ideas (which could totally be expanded upon in one of the void threads)
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    I do not feel that [the Void is] just "beyond" the aether, but rather from a "different" source of aether or Lifestream <snip> Perhaps it is more like the torn world from Final Fantasy Dimensions when the Crystal shatters... In our game of XIV, perhaps Hydaelyn is the light half, and Zodiark the dark half, yet they were actually once one whole crystal and one whole, complete, world. <snip> in a chaotic state of Umbral and Astral as they are fighting to remerge/separate themselves. This idea of a "torn world" might lay credence to what the Ascians have said to us through the plot, of fighting for the same cause.
    I, too, got a very "Warriors of Light and Darkness" vibe off of this whole thing, but have hesitated to take that theory further before any confirmation of that is made. It's fun to speculate, but anything beyond that massive assumption is a house of cards just waiting to happen. If we were right about the World of Light and the World of Dark, the one crystal split into Astral and Umbral halves would fit perfectly with the story so far.

    The ascians did speak of the world "regaining its true form," but then again they also talked about how the open door to the void would flood our world in darkness and burn Hydaelyn out of existence, which sends a very different message. It's hard to say whether the goal is the merging of Light and Dark into True, or just the balance of Light and Dark. As I said, I've yet to think about much of it yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyan View Post
    The beings from the Void seem to have their own aether when they die, which is foreign to our world and rejected by our Lifesteam.
    This is one of the leaps in logic I was just referring to; is there anything we can point to when we say they have dark aether and that dark aether is rejected by our lifestream? Granted, if Zodiark is indeed the dark crystal, and crystals are made of aether, it makes sense that they could have a "dark corporeal" world (though, again, we're already on tier two of that house of cards with that assumption).

    The thing is, we keep getting told that it is a void where corporeal rules of physics do not apply. Even the Ascians call it "the void." Is it truly dark aether they they expel, or is it the aether they've consumed while here combined with the energy of their void essence? Hydaelyn aether is a voidsent's favorite snack, and as we say to all the dead and dying, you can't take it with you.

    If I remember correctly, part of the Seventh Umbral Era story arc was that Atomos couldn't manifest corporeally until it had consumed our aether. It's a little fuzzy, but I remember this being a big thing back in the day ... Batraal was the same. The massive crystal deposits in the Darkhold caused a thinning of the veil between realms, which he slipped through before consuming said aether and manifesting as a gargoyle... I'll have to get back to you on that. This is 2011/2012 stuff.

    Still, I'm just exploring the other side of the coin - I have no idea what's up on the other side of the rift.

    I could go back and forth all day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyan View Post
    how exactly can Ascians use teleport magics if they can't return to our Lifestream if they are not from our world?)
    That's a good question. They have a unique, violet teleportation animation and the gate to the void stands wide open. Perhaps they jump out of our realm and back into it? Or ride our foreign lifestream themselves? No idea.


    Only a few more mob models before I start adding Spoken and polishing the list before opening it up to advice, discussion, and the pointing-out of oversights! Just need t-... ah, balls. The condor/vulture/buzzard things... and the Ziz/Axebeak things... I've been dreading these two.
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