Raimdelle Reborn: The Neverending Bestiary

[Lusavari]

I did some quick research. Apparently with wolves, Pup and cub are interchangeable. I'm going to say that Kittens are a new born, while the pup is the Juvenile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_g..._animals_young

Apparently there are many cases where you have cub, pup, and whelp being interchangeable. The only really close feline creature that has cub and pup both is the Hyena. Fun fact, if you're on a dichotomy chart, Felines are distinguished by retractable claws. Hyenas have retractable claws.

[Kyan]

Not to mention that the coeurl pups are twice as large as the coeurl mounts... They don't seem very pup-like.

I had brought this up in a previous thread, because I am not convinced about the true origin of the coeurl kitten minion (what I mean is, I think the minion designer wanted to give us a kitten, and they just made it a coeurl without considering the already present connections and lore in the world. Perhaps this minion could be explained as a subspecies.). Because the coeurl pups - the "young" of coeurl - do not have spots. Instantly, I compare this to dalmatian pups. So then, why is it that our coeurl kitten minions have spots already?

That being said, if we are to give coeurl young a name, we are presented with coeurl kitten in the lore already, too (which is also in conflict to what lore is presented in game).

Names of Coeurls through various stages of development
This has bothered me a little while, especially with the new minion and treasure chest hunts.

We have a new "Coeurl Kitten" minion. The quest to acquire it goes to great lengths to specifically state that it is a real baby coeurl we obtain. The coeurl character model is used in the quest as an NPC. Awesome.

But prior to patch, and also included in the treasure hunts if you get coeurl family of monsters attacking, is the coeurl pup. (The three monsters you get in the coeurl family from a treasure chest is a territorial coeurl pup - as large as a normal coeurl, has no spots, territorial young coeurl - has spots, and a territorial coeurl - the last being a torama/white model).

So, why is it that the small, tiny minion we get, Coeurl Kitten, called a kitten? Why does it have spots? Does it suddenly go through a metamorphoses when it gets its whiskers, lose its spots and become an entirely different colour?

Coeurls are intended to be of the "cat" family, I believe, if you consider the name of the first encounter with one of their species in Satasha - the Cattery.

[Anonymoose]

Apparently with wolves, Pup and cub are interchangeable.

That's weird, that very list is one of the sites I double checked with, lol.

Pup

Anteater
Armadillo
Bat
Beaver
Capybara
Coyote
Dog
Dolphin
Fox
Gerbil
Guinea Pig
Hamster
Hedgehog
Hyena
Jackal
Meercat
Mole
Mongoose
Mouse
Otter
Porcupine
Prairie Dog
Rat
Sea Lion
Seal
Shark
Squirrel
Weasel
Wolf

Cub

Aardvark
Badger
Bear
Cheetah
Coyote
Fox
Panda
Hyena
Jaguar
Leopard
Lion
Minx
Panther
Polar Bear
Raccoon
Red Panda
Shark
Tiger
Wolf

Notice that virtually all of the interchangeable instances of pup and cub are canids (red), where as virtually all of the big cats (blue) are cubs?

That's what I was going by, at least.

[Kyan]

Just to throw this in for terms used in the lore about coeurls:

Summon your fleet-footed battle coeurl, trained from a pup to recognise you as a friend...not food.

Summon your coeurl kitten minion. It will be several summers before his trademark whiskers grow out.

Perhaps the name changes with the state of whisker growth. This does not explain the spots, however.

[Lusavari]

Well. A leopard may never change its spots, but a Coeurl might.

I noticed that too, Moose, when I checked the list. I couldn't find a clear definition of Pup vs. Cub. That's why I mentioned Hyenas actually being more similar to cats than canines despite their physical appearance. It's really the only justification I can think of.

I'm still in favor of amassing crystals to summon our mighty primal, Ferne.

[RolandDebreton]

Was scanning through the video and I noticed something in the new regions of Amdapor. Look at the thing facing off with the adventurers in the vid, in the midst of the ahriman. If any of you get to a chance, take a look at this:



Get your category pens ready, I think you have a new genus on your hands, watch its movements in the vid at 2:44. Its like a serpent-shape with multiple faces and arms. An amazing looking monster, preemptively I'll say it, voidsent.

Patch 2.2 Preview (English)

[Kyan]

Yes, it caught my attention, too.

And creeped me out!

[Lusavari]

Yeah. That's the thing I was calling a Banshee a few posts back. I don't know what else to call it.

[Skies]

That looks straight out of a Persona game...

[Anonymoose]

If the new dungeon matches the pattern of the others, it's a safe assumption that there'll be some "natural" stuff as we first enter (in this case, looks like mostly Vilekin that have made the ruins their home) moving into the Voidsent destroyers of the civilization and the Ashkin dead of its former inhabitants. We'll see, though. Plenty from 2.00 and 2.1X to keep me busy fact checking.

In the meantime, Waiting for a Moon to Fall outs Golems as Soulkin so I'm going to keep them there for now and assume this classification is correct. Dullahan, though, is still tricky. Many Dullahan are said to be vengeful spirits who have "reclaimed" armor - implying that they are Ashkin (and many Dullahan in past Final Fantasies are undead), implying that there's more to them than "ancient golem."

A Random Sampling of Remaining Unknowns (Not Exhaustive)

• What are the true species of Golem? (Brown, Black Feet, Orange Glow) (Tan, Brown Feet, Green Hlow) (Yellow, Gray Feet, ??? Glow)
• What's the difference between Opo-opos and Galagos? Is the former the genus and the latter the species? Vice versa? Are galagos just a frequent name but neither label?
• That whole thing with the vultures/condors/buzzards is still in the air.
• Has anybody stumbled across the blue cobra that is not the glowing Allagan variant (Hygeia)?
• Is the snow goobbue a different species or the same old goobbue covered in snow?
• Ferne implied the genus name for Bogies and Revenants is Ghosts, so what are the Bhoots? ... Bhoots?
• Where can I find some red-eyed spriggans and how do they differ from yellow eyed spriggans?
• What are the other names for Gargoyles? Red seem to be the base.
• Are flans no longer called flans, but puddings?
• Are wights no longer called wights, but skeletons?
• As the territorial names imply, are snurbles gold now? And phurbles white?
• Are aurochs and buffalo different species? Which is which? (Yet to track these down in person to see the subtle color difference)
• Are Sprites and Elementals the same Class? What is this class? Are primals linked to this?