Raimdelle Reborn: The Neverending Bestiary

[Lusavari]

The one you're calling the white one is the one I'm calling the blue one. My scouring the realm has yet to turn one up. Through maps I've found Cactuars don't use a TP move, Sabotenders do 100 Needles, and Flowertenders do 1000 Needles though.

Also, for buffalo... I think we have Buffalo (from 1.0 for sure) and Aurouchs. The MRD story focuses particularly on an Aurouch named Kujata. I've not seen the one with mossy feet though. The Aurochs I think are the slightly whiter species.

I'm also willing to go out on a limb for the Mind Flayers in that the basic one is the Mind Flayers, the yellow one is a Piscodemon, and the black one is the Psycheflayer. I haven't seen the yellow one or #4 though... Those seem to be logical though.... The black one is in AK, and is called Psycheflayer, so that one makes the most sense.

Also, what do you think of hybrid classes, like Ashscales for the Bone dragon? It would be easier than trying to shoehorn something into 1 group.

[Anonymoose]

The one you're calling the white one is the one I'm calling the blue one

Might just not be in the game yet. That happens a lot.

The Aurochs I think are the slightly whiter species.

That's usually how it goes. The lower the ID, the closer to the base. I was hoping to confirm with screenshots Buffalo v. Aurochs but the coloration differences are so slight that it could just be the time of day. Going to have to hunt them down myself ><

...Mind Flayers ... Piscodemon ... Psycheflayer.

Agreed. Too few examples to chalk them up as any shade of green, but definitely enough for the first guesses when I get back to that part of the list.

Also, what do you think of hybrid classes ... It would be easier than trying to shoehorn something into 1 group.

Easier, yes, but I've yet to hear of this occurring in the game. Again, I feel pressured to be strict so nothing becomes "fanon." I hesitated to even put bats in beastkin (they were birds in FFXI, a common mistake in Old World naturalism), but took the leap because they're oft called beasts and compared to rats (rodents being beastkin).

One thing I've been trying to do is find evidence with the patterns seen on the Labyrinth Map.

From the Crossroads

• The Path of Decay (Folly→Demise→Oblivion) leads to the Tainted
• The Path of Vice (Lament) leads to the Deviant
• The Path of Redemption (Fire) faces the Savage and becomes (via Ascension)the Inexorable

So, let's test my interpretation skills:


Our lives can lead to Death, Corruption, or Resurrection. At the end of the Path of Decay lies the remnants of those that have died - Ashkin - Bone Dragon and Platinal. I don't think Ashkin are meant to extend only to the Spoken - that's just how it worked out at first. Down the path of Corruption, we see the two types of possession, Succubus, whereby creatures from the void possess corporeal forms, and a Dullahan, what is implied to be the vengeful spirit of man possessing corporeal armor. One voidsent and one ashkin (?), but the same concept. Down the path of Resurrection, by overcoming the flames of hell (Vassago is a demon) and a savage beast with a biblical name, one rises to the ascended - the reborn, unstoppable guardian - Acheron.


So Bone Dragon is to Scalekin as Skeleton is to Spoken? One big happy Ashkin family?

2.2 <...> and fun things to add to your masterwork, Mr. Moose!

I saw some easy ones and some ones that are just going to frustrate me, I think. Beastkin, vilekin, voidsent, spoken, forgekin, primal, spoken ... IS THAT A FREAKING MECHANIZED TREANT? CAN GOOBBUES BE ASHKIN!? Here's hoping there'll be some context clues, lmao.

[Kyan]

Here's hoping there'll be some context clues, lmao.

Yes!
And I must admit, I am eager to see if the Amdapori city had some connection to, or remnants of white magic, or the War of the Magi. Yet, seeing some of those very ghastly monsters, I couldn't think of beings further removed from the idea of white magic! I cannot wait to learn more about the history of this dungeon in particular!

[Lusavari]

At the end of the Path of Decay lies the remnants of those that have died - Ashkin - Bone Dragon and Platinal. I don't think Ashkin are meant to extend only to the Spoken - that's just how it worked out at first. Down the path of Corruption, we see the two types of possession, Succubus, whereby creatures from the void possess corporeal forms, and a Dullahan, what is implied to be the vengeful spirit of man possessing corporeal armor. One voidsent and one ashkin (?), but the same concept. Down the path of Resurrection, by overcoming the flames of hell (Vassago is a demon) and a savage beast with a biblical name, one rises to the ascended - the reborn, unstoppable guardian - Acheron.

In this case, I believe Ash trumps other classifications. The undead follow some different rules such as resurrection in battle. Once something dies, if it is undead in anyway, it is now Ashkin.

[Skies]

The one you're calling the white one is the one I'm calling the blue one. My scouring the realm has yet to turn one up. Through maps I've found Cactuars don't use a TP move, Sabotenders do 100 Needles, and Flowertenders do 1000 Needles though.

Nnnnnegative.
The Sabotenders in the ant dungeon whose name escapes me right now use 1000 Needles.

[Kyan]

Seeing as we are talking about monsters in this thread -my loose connection to the amazing new 2.2 video and the possibilities it holds for several lore threads- it looks like there possibly will be a whole lot more voidsent (Amdapori) and fun things to add to your masterwork, Mr. Moose!

There also seems to be a lot of exotic animals in Halitali, perhaps from the other lands. I recall reading the Miqo'te name/lore thread, and the discussion between devs and players about adding a bear monster. Well, It looks like it has come to fruition! That thing looks pretty rad!

Anecdotally, it was because of the Miqo'te lore that saw me ditching my midlander Hyur name Kyan (I was considering K'yhan, and even used it during Beta. But as there were no hipparions, and vipers were at least present in items, the L tribe ultimately won my heart!). It is nice to see that the Miqo'te totem animals are being represented in game as actual beings.

[Lusavari]

It could just be the build up of monsters getting strong from the chest.

[Lusavari]

Also, another dreaded topic... What will the new monsters be classified as? I'll throw out my initial guesses:

Lamia/Medusa: Spoken
Diabolos: ?????? Primal. I think he'll end up like Siren, displaying quasi primal traits such as the ability to bind souls to himself (Siren's songs/temptations, Tempering, Drowning, Crushing, Twisting)
Hecteyes: Voidsent
Zombbues: Ashkin
Damselflies: Vilekin
Manticores: Beastkin
Urasus/bears: Beastkin
Wamoura: Vilekin
Mimics: Soulkin
Banshee????: Ashkin (Pause promotional video at 2:46)
Catoblepas: ???? Beastkin???

[Skies]

I wouldn't count Lamia/Medusa as a Spoken, not until we see how she is down there in the coil.
The reason is simply because she is in coil, up to now everything we've seen in coil has been allagan constructs of some form or shape, from dark matter clones to AI cores to-
Well, there's Twintania and the Scourges of Meracydia, which are honest-to-god bound dragons, yet the snakes certainly looked artificial constructs.

There is a high possibility that Lamia might be a higher form of cyborg, so I wouldn't put clearly as spoken just yet.
As for Diabolos, I think he is most likely a voidsent? I mean, his aesthetic/style seems to call for being a voidsent, it's unlikely he is a Primal, same way that Siren isn't (she merely can cast charm, and is a necromancer).

[RolandDebreton]

I wouldn't count Lamia/Medusa as a spoken

I'm getting a vibe from the promo vid that creatures have been entering and being twisted by the effects of the Binding Coil for years. I first started suspecting it in when I first entered turn 1. The pelicans, the coeurls, the claws, all the darkmatter beasts are residents native to La Noscea. The exist only so far in and then its really only Allagan constructs until you see the dragonkin and snakes. I have no idea what to think of the NM snakes.

Having said all that, I bet the ochu has been touched by the corruption (the are native now to the North Shroud). I could see there being a new species of spoken that moved into the Shroud as the north became too cold (snakes would). So if one of their early arrivals discovered the power of the corrupt aether perhaps it ventured in.

Perhaps they were a class of spoken long sealed in the planet and released by the passages opened by the wreckage. Who knows, but don't discount the natural creeping in. Nature will find a way...