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    Player
    Raestloz's Avatar
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    Vonelis Heischield
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    Tiamat
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    Conjurer Lv 50

    Something needs to be done about elements

    So you see a Bomb, and to defeat it, you use...

    Fire?

    Come now, SE, this is Final Fantasy. You use Blizzard to kill bombs, not Fire. Fire heals bombs, and yet in this game, elements (or "aspect", as the tooltip calls it) means abso-freaking-lutely nothing. Thunder? Earth? Wind? Don't care. Potency is where it's at.

    What's the point in elements? Just to justify the elemental materias and reduce the likelihood to get vitality and critical materia?
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    Jinrya Geki
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    Excalibur
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Some final fantasy games, bombs are x2 weak against fire, I do know what you are saying though. Ifrit would be a better example.

    But it's all to make it balanced so this way blm doesn't have all these spells when the jobs/class can only have 15 abilities each cause the servers can't handle it.
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    Kitru Kitera
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    But it's all to make it balanced so this way blm
    That's basically it. BLM is built around the waxing (Umbral Ice) and waning (Astral Fire) of their mp based upon specific elements. If Ifrit were immune to fire, BLM would pretty much only be able to spam Blizzard and keep up Thunder, which means they'd be doing absolutely terrible damage. It's the price we pay for not having all of the spells just be clones of each other with different elemental attributes.

    doesn't have all these spells when the jobs/class can only have 15 abilities each cause the servers can't handle it.
    As I said before, it's not limited based upon the spell list but rather upon the chosen playstyle for BLM. On top of that, the number of abilities that each class gets isn't 15 (each 17 for each, except for Arcanist which gets 18) nor is it absolutely set in stone. On top of that, I find it hilarious that you think that the servers couldn't handle an increased number of abilities. That would be like saying that we couldn't get any more gear because the server couldn't handle it. Abilities are just database calls that trigger the effect labelled in the database, and it doesn't really matter how many abilities you've got because a larger data doesn't put appreciably more strain on a server unless you've got a *obscenely* large unsorted database or attempting to get a list based upon given attributes so that it has to iterate through everything; calling to a specific address doesn't care about database size.
    That's laughably untrue on all 3 counts.
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    Eve Alexandra
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    I would love to see my benediction immediately kill undead enemies.
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Just have Blizzard do 6 times more damage against Ifrit. Would be legit.

    Then troll your group by casting fire spells to heal Ifrit.
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    Orophin Calmcacil
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    Just have Blizzard do 6 times more damage against Ifrit. Would be legit.
    And if they did this you'd see in Rev Troll "LF 4 DPS for HM/Ex Ifrit, BLM only."

    They had to normalize the damage of the elemental spells to keep things fair.
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    Tiger Undie
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    Fisher Lv 100
    at 14.1 it was possible to heal ifrit with using fire
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    Gunsa Cabalabob
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    Sargatanas
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    The reason elements don't do anything is cause in 1.0 people would take Tankx1 WHMx1 and then BLMx6 to basically everything cause they could exploit elemental weaknesses, all other jobs were basically obsolete. So for 2.0 they took out any form of elemental weaknesses and just made magic damage equal to physical.

    Not saying I agree with this design choice, just telling you that's the way it is.
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    Xander Olivieri
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    Kinda makes Elemental Resistance obsolete then too. What is the point of the Materia and items that add Ele. Resist when they are pretty useless?
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    Kairi Young
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    Leviathan
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    Thaumaturge Lv 52
    Quote Originally Posted by XanderOlivieri View Post
    Kinda makes Elemental Resistance obsolete then too. What is the point of the Materia and items that add Ele. Resist when they are pretty useless?
    *coughs* Primal hard/extreme mode runs will see a significant advantage with properly resistant gear. <.<
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