White Mage is Poorly designed compared to Scholar

[sharazisspecial]

Did the two classes have different devs? White mage is barebones and scholar has actual synergy.

I am talking about two primary points here

1. How scholar has an amazing secondary stat that complement it in various ways. But every secondary stat is meh for white mage.
2. Presence of mind- 5 minute cooldown 10 seconds of increased spell speed. Compared this to scholar's 20% chance to get increased spell speed proc on pet crit heal, and spell speed buff from selene with 50% uptime.

When a scholar gets a extra critical piece they cream themselves. As a white mage what do i have to be excited over?
Critical- More over-healing since my mechanics do not support random critical hits. Full crit build =Around 13% critical chance
Speed- 0.01 speed increase. Full SS build reduces gcd to 2.3
Det-8 det =1 mind. Full Det build increases hp healing by 30 on cure and 50 on cure 2.

Critical hit for scholars
20% chance whenever your pet gets a critical hit from healing . You get a spell speed buff.
Your adloquium critical hits give you double shield. So enjoy up to 3k hp shields in full gear.
Sch mechanics support critical hits by causing a bigger shield on targets.
Scholars heals overheal less then white mage since their heals are lower potency individually and split between fairy and scholar or between heal and shield. Criticals are more welcome.

Presence of mind

I find this ability design completely ridiculous. Scholar with a decent crit rate will have a high uptime of increased spell speed from their trait and 50% uptime of ss boost from selene. But white mage have 5 minute cool down , 10 second duration ability for increased speed.

What i want
I want white mage to be designed better. As a white mage i want to be actually excited about secondary stats.

I think the stat should be spell speed. SE should:

Give us a trait that complements spell speed . Make regen effects, affected by spell speed. Give regen a reduced gcd, similar to lustrate. Because full gcd on regen is really harsh and clunky. Regen buff would affect scholar's eos too.

Also they should rework presence of mind. 1-3 minute cooldown: increase spell speed and half your mana costs for 10 seconds.

Spell speed buff would mean less competition for scholar on current gear.

[Muzy]

Just so you realize, the proc is a 20% chance and has nowhere near 100% uptime, Adloquium shield is the exact same amount as the heal itself, no more, no less. And while crit might be more welcome, I as a SCH prefer Det or SS, as quicker, more consistent heals are preferable over random streaks.

And Selene is situational, a fair amount actually prefer Eos due to Fey Illumination, which is a huge clutch heal boost.

[sharazisspecial]

Just so you realize, the proc is a 20% chance and has nowhere near 100% uptime, Adloquium shield is the exact same amount as the heal itself, no more, no less. And while crit might be more welcome, I as a SCH prefer Det or SS, as quicker, more consistent heals are preferable over random streaks.

And Selene is situational, a fair amount actually prefer Eos due to Fey Illumination, which is a huge clutch heal boost.

Swap between the two if its only fey illumination you care bout? 120 sec cooldown. I'm sorry but your a "bad" scholar if you prefer ss or det compared to critical hits. Critical adoloquium makes certain fights mechanics a joke. Such as death sentence. You get two for one from critical chance it gives you increased spell speed from your pet too.
Your point sort of contridicts each other. Selene is situational but she gives you as much speed as a full spell speed build would for 30 seconds. But you prefer spell speed overall?

Speed- 0.01 speed increase. Full build reduces gcd to 2.3
Det-1-3 hp increase. Full build increases hp healing by 30 on cure.50 on cure 2.

Is that worth giving up crit? especially since your base heal potency is lower meaning less boost from det.

Ok i lodestoned you incase you were in the top fc or something . But you haven't even experienced content where critical sch shines. So your choices for secondary stats dont matter as much. Higher ilvl is better .

But for some of us in full i90 we are fine tuning our builds now.

Adloquium shield is the exact same amount as the heal itself, no more, no less.

This is misinformation. You should not be spreading it. Adoloquium shield is double the crit heal amount. E.g 1.5k adloquium heal = 3k shield.
I personally have tested it. Along with many others. I also tested the full stat builds i mentioned too.

[YuiSasaki]

Adloquium shield is the exact same amount as the heal itself, no more, no less.

Well this is not quite right.

Yes, on a non-crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed.
Yet, on a crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed multiplied by 2.

Example:

Noncrit Adloq: 700 -> 700 Shield
Critical Adloq: 1500 -> 3000 Shield (1500 x 2)


BTT, I agree with Opener in terms of some WHM CDs. They are way to long (e.g.: Benediction would suffice on a 3 min. CD or PoM with a 3 min CD)
Yet a 1min CD with reduced MP-costs is way overboard.

Binding a secondary stat to WHM would be the best option, yet it should differ from crit (every class going in the same direction is, well just wrong :/)

[sharazisspecial]

Well this is not quite right.

Yes, on a non-crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed.
Yet, on a crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed multiplied by 2.

Example:

Noncrit Adloq: 700 -> 700 Shield
Critical Adloq: 1500 -> 3000 Shield (1500 x 2)


BTT, I agree with Opener in terms of some WHM CDs. They are way to long (e.g.: Benediction would suffice on a 3 min. CD or PoM with a 3 min CD)
Yet a 1min CD with reduced MP-costs is way overboard.

Binding a secondary stat to WHM would be the best option, yet it should differ from crit (every class going in the same direction is, well just wrong :/)

Well don't you think increased speed on regen ticks is unique?

Whm mana efficiency is bad currently with the medica 2 nerf.
It would get worse with spell speed buff. PoM on a 3min cooldown is still lacking compared to the uptime of scholar spell speed . PoM could be 1 minute cd 10 seconds duration. reduces mana cost by 25% . You think whm being less reliant to ballad is overboard?

[Remilia_Nightfall]

medica 2 nerf

What nerf are you talking about?

The WHM in our team (and not only her) loves the Medica II change.

[sharazisspecial]

What nerf are you talking about?

The WHM in our team (and not only her) loves the Medica II change.

Medica 2 nerf has caused us to lose mana efficiency.

Pre patch medica 2 would be enough to heal aoe. 700 potency in 15 seconds is quick enough. Cost less then cure 3.
Post patch medica 2 is a buffer. We need to cast medica 2 + another aoe heal. Or pre medica 2 and another heal for next aoe. Since the new hot is too weak to heal up people before next aoe.

New medica 2 has its uses. But its a complete lie to say our mana efficiency has improved because its gotten worse.

Meanwhile SCH has one AoE and one pet AoE that never sees use and you have 3

You can generally tell who are the baby scholars. Because they make comments like this. Double sch heals every fight fine. Scholar has a shield niche that makes them invaluable.

[YuiSasaki]

*snip*

Well, yes in my opinion one minute would go overboard, considering that your 30% extra heal has a 60sec cd, too, IF the benediction CD would be lowered to ~ 180sec.
A 90-120sec cd should suffice considering that you are wanting to implement a 25% cost reduce to that buff.
Keep in mind the SCH speed buff is a proc. A proc on crit, in other words more or less a "double proc".

I could not determine if the Faerie receives the secondary stats as well (havn't done much of a research tbh ^^).

Am i guessing right, that with "increased speed on regen ticks" you mean the time frame between each tick is reduced my spell speed?
Example: With no spell speed: One tick every 3sec over 21sec (totalling in 7 ticks)
With speed: One tick every 2.18sec over 15.26sec (totalling in 7 ticks)

If that is the case, then yes i'd welcome such a change.

[saeedaisspecial]

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I could not determine if the Faerie receives the secondary stats as well (havn't done much of a research tbh ^^).

Am i guessing right, that with "increased speed on regen ticks" you mean the time frame between each tick is reduced my spell speed?
Example: With no spell speed: One tick every 3sec over 21sec (totalling in 7 ticks)
With speed: One tick every 2.18sec over 15.26sec (totalling in 7 ticks)

If that is the case, then yes i'd welcome such a change.

*This is sharazisspecial i reached my daily*

Fairy embrace originally only received det and critical hit . Just like regen (i used to compare the two they are similar in a way)

However new patch buffed sch to let pet be affect by spell speed. including its own proc and its own buff. This buffs fairys healing output a bit.

Preferably regen would get extra ticks instead. Changing spell speed in the way you would make it double edge and force us to use more regens (but still quite good for tank healing). We already are pretty bad mana wise.

[Gamemako]

Yes, on a non-crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed.
Yet, on a crit the Adloq shield equals the amount healed multiplied by 2.

Q: My SCH is still sub-40. I toyed with this before around level 35 and was not able to replicate the claimed result (my shield was still the amount displayed). Is this bonus supposed to come at some specific level?

(I am by no means a SCH expert. I can hardly bring myself to level it with the increasing need to micro the pet. I know what claims are made about various effects and have no specific reason to doubt them, but I wondered one day if it was a possible bug that was double-applying the 50% crit bonus, yet was not able to find any boost beyond crit amount.)