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Thread: SCH BiS Boots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsteak View Post
    some of y'all are entirely too obsessed with crit rate
    I think this too....until I crit an Adlo for a 2300+ shield.

    I must say, "criting" as a SCH is much more enjoyable for me than "criting" as a SMN was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karnage720 View Post
    I think this too....until I crit an Adlo for a 2300+ shield.

    I must say, "criting" as a SCH is much more enjoyable for me than "criting" as a SMN was.
    Your crit amount is determined by Mind and Determination, not Crit Rate which determines how frequent you may be able to crit. As such, skipping mind (Royal Boots instead of i90) to get a small increase in potential crit chance is actually making your heals smaller. How much smaller? Well, put on i90 spell speed pieces. That's how much smaller. The healing on an i90 spell speed set and a lowered mind crit-heavy set is roughly equal due to losing heals on every single heal due to losing Mind and Det. 13 crit gained from Royal Boots will not equal even 1% extra crit chance. It'll roughly be .85% crit chance.

    Take your amount of crit and divide by 15. Those are your breakpoints. 341 is base crit which appears to give 10%. Thereafter, approximately 15-16 points gives 1%. 542, Royal boots with all i90 and Allagan book, is 19.34%. With all i90, 18.43%. You can expect to see roughly the same amount of crit Adloquiums at that percent using the 4:1 Physick:Adlo ratio. You will see more crit Physicks, but only to the tune of less than 5.

    To answer the question, there's not a big difference between Allagan and Argute boots. Your choice is a fraction of a fraction of a second off each heal or about 40 more MP and even less regen/aetherflow. It's minor at best. Choose the one that suits your style.

    Scholars should stick to Weapon Damage > Mind > Crit or Det. If you choose Royal Shoes, you are choosing Weapon Damage > Crit > Mind > Det.
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    I find it quite interesting how much SCH like to stack crit. Discipline Priests in WoW scale better with crit than Scholars do and they never stacked crit to the extremes that is happening here. Well, that was when I was still playing it. I know, I know, different games and whatnot, but I just find it interesting. Anyways, onward, my noble keyboard.

    Quote Originally Posted by cainejw View Post
    Take your amount of crit and divide by 15. Those are your breakpoints. 341 is base crit which appears to give 10%. Thereafter, approximately 15-16 points gives 1%. 542, Royal boots with all i90 and Allagan book, is 19.34%. With all i90, 18.43%. You can expect to see roughly the same amount of crit Adloquiums at that percent using the 4:1 Physick:Adlo ratio. You will see more crit Physicks, but only to the tune of less than 5.
    Your base crit is 5%, and every 13.8 points of crit add 1% with one free 1% crit at 470. Do note that those numbers are taken from BLM charts, but I have no reason to believe that the crit formula would be different for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post

    Your base crit is 5%, and every 13.8 points of crit add 1% with one free 1% crit at 470. Do note that those numbers are taken from BLM charts, but I have no reason to believe that the crit formula would be different for everyone.
    Ah, ok, then the information I'd read elsewhere was incorrect. Thanks for the information! In all, I do agree, stacking crit to the detriment of Mind is especially silly. Some quick Excel simulations the other day showed me that stacking max Crit to the loss of Mind actually results in healing equivalent to i90 speed on a 10 minute fight. I can see an argument for Det over crit (and often make that argument), but this rushing to WD > Crit > Mind is absolutely flabbergasting. It's almost like Scholars were told "Crit is good for double adlo shield" and decided to get all the crits.

    However, doing the same Excel simulations showed that you only get 2 crit Adlos over a full det set for roughly 4-8k extra healing and shielding 4:1 Physick:Adlo. The more Adlos, the more crit, but you also run out of MP much faster. The power comes from crit Physicks which truly cause Crit to pull away from Det IF you hit the crit percent. Any loss of crits due to RNG makes crit less powerful.

    So by all means, Scholars, load crit...but remember it is your third stat. Every point in Mind or Det that you lose due to i80 or below is a weaker healer across every single heal...even crit adlos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    I find it quite interesting how much SCH like to stack crit. Discipline Priests in WoW scale better with crit than Scholars do and they never stacked crit to the extremes that is happening here. Well, that was when I was still playing it. I know, I know, different games and whatnot, but I just find it interesting. Anyways, onward, my noble keyboard.



    Your base crit is 5%, and every 13.8 points of crit add 1% with one free 1% crit at 470. Do note that those numbers are taken from BLM charts, but I have no reason to believe that the crit formula would be different for everyone.
    Source for this?
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    The sheet? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...zg4cnZxTDVkM1E and "CRIT chance" tab.
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