Why is "Duty Roulette" a solo feature?

[amnie]

eh. nobody is 'attacking' you (in fact I found your 'solo player' rant a lot more like attacking. lol)

and of course I say you care about rewards more if that is exactly what you were saying. I don't know what you .did. this week or the previous week or what's going on inside your head or what your true motivations are. I can .only. go by what you write here, and you wrote "I lose something, without Duty Roulette: bonus prizes and much faster allagan cap."

not sure why your problem of not getting anything this week is related to the duty roulette. are you saying your friends rather spend their entire time doing roulette than doing things with you? uhm.. eh.. ok I can't say anything nice about this without possibly offending either you - or your friends.

I also don't really know what you want an 'official' statement for. (not sure if there is one. I honestly find this way too logical to honestly argue about it, but apparently you don't)

at this point it seems more like a matter of 'whaaa I don't want you guys to make sense!'

[Lacerta]

Q: Will you be able to use the Duty Roulette when forming a party with 2 or 3 members?
A: We’ll be improving the Duty Finder extensively for 2.1, but I’m afraid the ability to participate in parties will take until 2.2.

Source: here.

[Taekrys]

Source: here.

Thanks a lot.
And I think that answer indirectly to my question: they did not care for solo or group, they just COULDN'T put the feature for pre-formed group yet (even if I don't really get why, but nevermind).
So that goes for every of anyone else's statement and means that this was not to "counter" anything or anyone, but just accidental.

[amnie]

Thanks a lot.
And I think that answer indirectly to my question: they did not care for solo or group, they just COULDN'T put the feature for pre-formed group yet (even if I don't really get why, but nevermind).
So that goes for every of anyone else's statement and means that this was not to "counter" anything or anyone, but just accidental.

eh. still not sure what this has to do with an official statement.

a) it's CLEARY so more people get more pops
b) it's not changing opinions on WHY it's better to not allow groups to queue, just because SE plans to make it possible. I will still favour them not making it possible (though to be fair in the end I don't really care because if someone really can't be bothered to make at least a handful of friends to do dungeons with, maybe MMOs aren't their games)

I know people say its so those low-level dungeons can get tanks/healers, but as a tank I don't even bother with low-level DR, the rewards aren't enough. Only 10 myth? At least make it thirty so it'll be on par with WP/AK. Haven't even tried it, too much risk getting in a group in SV that times out on the last boss because issues or w/e and 0 reward.

1) you are thankfully not the only person playing a tank
2) you don't get any bonus myth for tanking. that's the bonus for using the duty roulette to begin with. the 'in demand class' bonus is EXP and Gil.



well, on the topic of Stone Vigil itself... I'd be a liar if I claimed I've never had any bad runs, but it's not nearly as bad as people make it. I've actually even been 'brave' once and queued for in progress for SV on my whm. got into a group that was at the last boss. the group was super thankful that I popped in because there were only roughly 10 min left on the timer (they were waiting because they didn't know you don't get the timer if someone already left) and then I also found out that the healer ragequit, while apparently being the problem to begin with. we killed the last boss first try and I made people happy. good times. (I've also had a group who did the first boss first try failing on the second boss, though, which still baffles me weeks later. lol)

[Taekrys]

eh. still not sure what this has to do with an official statement.

When whoever is in charge, work on the game or is authorized to give information from SE itself makes a statement, that statement is official.
Or at least it is what I consider official.

Yeah, the duty roulette is like a "Single riders" line at an amusement park. The point is to fill empty seats. You can get on the ride faster, you just cant ride with your friends.

It's a solo feature because the purpose of the roulette is to fill slots in forming dungeon parties. If you could premake a party and get the same bonuses intended for people trying to help out, it defeats the whole purpose of the roulette- to help those in need.

No and no.
SE declared: "We’ll be improving the Duty Finder extensively for 2.1, but I’m afraid the ability to participate in parties will take until 2.2."
So SE did not take a position in these matter. Duty Roulette was MEANT for parties too, they just didn't implemented it yet.
Those are the reasons you hoped for, not the real reasons.

b) it's not changing opinions on WHY it's better to not allow groups to queue

It doesn't, alright.
But again, I was asking why it *was* this way, not why it *would be better staying* this way.
The answer to my question is: "It wasn't intended, just wait till 2.2 for party being able to join."
And to be clear, that's not even close to be a satisfying answer, since 2.2 could take even 6 months to see the light and that may already be too late.

Then we could do as you implicitly suggest, and like you do I could also talk about how I would prefer things done in different way they are now (or staying like they are before they will change, in this case).
There are only two problems in that:
1) The discussion would be endless (classes? levequest? crafting? housing?).
2) No one could care less about my opinion, since as the answers I received suggest, almost no one here has any simpathy for me.

Hence, since I just had a doubt and that doubt was clarified, I'm outta here.
Feel free however to use my thread to discuss your theories, I don't mind.

See ya. And thanks again, Lacerta.

[FMElan]

SE declared: "We’ll be improving the Duty Finder extensively for 2.1, but I’m afraid the ability to participate in parties will take until 2.2."
So SE did not take a position in these matter. Duty Roulette was MEANT for parties too, they just didn't implemented it yet.
Those are the reasons you hoped for, not the real reasons.

No, it isn't meant for parties. Duty Roulette is meant to help people fill up a few slots(especially those in-demand ones, hence the bonus on them). SE never said you'll be able to participate in a party, their stance has always been that, in the future, they'll look into letting you participate in groups of 2, or possibly 3. It would take zero time to implement the ability to run in a full party, they just don't want you to do that.

[Jennika]

Duty Roulette is specifically for helping to fill spots in less popular content. We don't all have a lot of friends that we can do content with so Duty Roulette rewards players for queuing solo to help fill spots.

Also, not everybody has the same play style or in-game goals. If you are constantly logging in to find that your friends have already used Duty Roulette to do runs then possibly their priority lies more in the rewards and less in doing runs with people they know.

[Amyas]

I know people say its so those low-level dungeons can get tanks/healers, but as a tank I don't even bother with low-level DR, the rewards aren't enough. Only 10 myth? At least make it thirty so it'll be on par with WP/AK. Haven't even tried it, too much risk getting in a group in SV that times out on the last boss because issues or w/e and 0 reward.

[FMElan]

I know people say its so those low-level dungeons can get tanks/healers, but as a tank I don't even bother with low-level DR, the rewards aren't enough. Only 10 myth? At least make it thirty so it'll be on par with WP/AK. Haven't even tried it, too much risk getting in a group in SV that times out on the last boss because issues or w/e and 0 reward.

As a tank, I've DF'd Stone Vigil at least 40 times to get my sword and have never had a party time out. So I'm confused as to how this is even an example...

[Amyas]

So I'm confused as to how this is even an example...

You must be confused a lot if you don't realize different people have different experiences than you.
Every other time I've tried it, whether it be for leveling or to help friends, we get to the boss with maybe 15-10 mins left and we wipe once or twice to it before I leave. I can't make people dodge. Also I'm confused on why you'd bother running an instance '40 times' for a weapon that's worthless.