Titan Extreme is NOT Fun

[Sygmaelle]

I'm in france and not a single problem latency wise. Titan EX is just memory and on top, timing wise its a super easy fight.

Bombs take more time to explode, the only check is the double gaol. People are bad. It's not the fight that isn't fun, it's people that just can't play and find excuses for everything. In pretty much every single group I end with by usin Duty Finder theres always someone dyin on the very first spawn of plumes. The very first one. And of course, always lag to blame instead of reaction time that is clearly not the one X player should have had.

[NeoAmon]

Man I must have fought him 50+ times with PUGs and DF this week.

I can see why this fight is hated, I really do understand. On personal level when everyone is doing good, I'm being bad, super bad. When everyone sucks, I'm out living the entire team with 0 mistakes until he is ded or close to ded. The main issue from what I have seen is that the fight require perfection. I see many of you say that the fight is easy, I agree but there is requirements for it to be easy.

1- No one having lag issues. This is the biggest problem, I play with players from around the world, some I know pure fact that their skill level is in the top %1. However, when they are having a bad day cause ISP or SE servers decided to lag, there is no progress.

2- Everyone is on the same page, knows the fight and able to produce results. This is also very hard, unless you are doing Titan with your static Coil group, it can be a nightmare to get everyone motivated to be on the same page. Healers specially, rage quit way too fast.

3- Luck. Come on there is a bit of luck to it, from forming a balanced PUG group to crits, sometimes all that is standing in the way is just a bit of luck.

[Dalavon]

It's an EXTREME mode for a reason... Everything he does is on rotation, learn it and the fights in the bag. I hate when people complain that shits to hard. Work for it! They aren't going to hand you wins on a silver platter like other games.

[AdvancedWind]

I was someone who made fun of people who thought Titan HM is hard, EM is not fun. the timing on Extreme Mode is so tight that on my (pretty decent, i thought) connection avoiding weight of the land is basically a dice role. It's not fun because there's not really any skill involved. It's not like HM where you just have to memorize stuff. While some of the additions (like the double gaol) are clever, the instant death dodge mechanic is basically luck unless you live next to the server thanks to the nature of network latency and the FFXIV staff's refusal or inability to make stuff like this operate client side.

I guess South America is next to the server, then.

[Bankai305]

I was someone who made fun of people who thought Titan HM is hard, EM is not fun. the timing on Extreme Mode is so tight that on my (pretty decent, i thought) connection avoiding weight of the land is basically a dice role. It's not fun because there's not really any skill involved. It's not like HM where you just have to memorize stuff. While some of the additions (like the double gaol) are clever, the instant death dodge mechanic is basically luck unless you live next to the server thanks to the nature of network latency and the FFXIV staff's refusal or inability to make stuff like this operate client side.

EM is EXACTLY like HM. All his moves are scripted. He'll never do anything unexpectedly. Memorize his pattern, and you can anticipate plumes if that's what's killing you. If you know when he's going to use plumes, there is no excuse for getting hit. All other moves/phases/egis everything is scripted, there is no element of surprise.

[NyneAlexander]

EM is EXACTLY like HM. All his moves are scripted. He'll never do anything unexpectedly. Memorize his pattern, and you can anticipate plumes if that's what's killing you. If you know when he's going to use plumes, there is no excuse for getting hit. All other moves/phases/egis everything is scripted, there is no element of surprise.

except for row bombs. even though you know they're coming, sometimes they come at a crazy angle and your raid can't (or doesn't) bait the landslide the right way.

[Quattrob]

While I think there are some pple that actually have problem with fights because of latency issues. I feel like there are alot of pple who just don't know Titan's rotation of moves and blame it on other things, like lag or latency etc. Most pple I believe that can't beat it for whatever reason are usually the ones to say this fight is stupid or is not fun.

There are pple who are able to beat it consistently even when there are latency issues, call it what you will but to me these pple are just better players that can adapt and not just blame their fails on other things like lag. These pple accept that they screwed up, this is a way to overcome challenges, if you're just gonna sit and whine about latency issues or how this fight is stupid or boring, you have no sympathy from anyone and you're just making excuses.

[NyneAlexander]

the biggest issue with this fight is other players. Both the players that don't know the rotation and the extreme elitest jerks who put down other players for not knowing the rotation instead of helping them learn the rotation. Of course people are gonna lie and make excuses if everytime they make a mistake some PLD is there telling them their mother shouldn't have given birth to them because they got hit by some plumes.

[CrAZYVIC]

Which member is carrying the players that die all the time?

Yo. People still having friends in game.
People go to TITAN for help their FC buddies all time.

Hmm about fixing titan Fight.

I think the best posible fix for TITAN is.......

Fight vs TITAN inside of a CAGE /end the Horror Stories about titan. Seriously die because the enemy drops you to the lava and 90% of the times is because the lag... We need more creativity in the fights.

[Billie21]

While I think there are some pple that actually have problem with fights because of latency issues. I feel like there are alot of pple who just don't know Titan's rotation of moves and blame it on other things, like lag or latency etc. Most pple I believe that can't beat it for whatever reason are usually the ones to say this fight is stupid or is not fun.

There are pple who are able to beat it consistently even when there are latency issues, call it what you will but to me these pple are just better players that can adapt and not just blame their fails on other things like lag. These pple accept that they screwed up, this is a way to overcome challenges, if you're just gonna sit and whine about latency issues or how this fight is stupid or boring, you have no sympathy from anyone and you're just making excuses.

Probably because some people entered this fight expecting to enjoy the same experience that some have described here on this thread (people who have no technical problems, apparently, or not enough that the only way for them to succeed is to know the fight by heart and pre-move on everything)?

Yes it can be overcome, but maybe not the way people expected? So they blame "lag", because it's what prevents them from defeating the fight WITHOUT memorising every single move and pre-moving everything. Some actually do not enjoy blind-memory game, and did not expect this game to revolve around it (and for people with no technical issues, apparently, it doesn't).