Titan Extreme is NOT Fun

[ZeroRains]

Let me clarify, because people are railroading all over the place

1. Titan IS artificially difficult. There is no discussion about that. In fact half of you said it yourself. The fight isn't "hard" its learning patterns and dodging. There is no strategy to be made here. There is little skill involved. Its the most cookie cutter of all fights, allowing literally no choice to the player. The player must dodge consistently for minutes on end, hoping no one gets hit, because if 1 dps dies before heart, or 1 heal dies post heart phase, bam.

2. This is a INDIVIDUAL fight. You could argue every fight is, which is understandable to a point. But like you said, this fight isn't hard, so why are people dying? Because they haven't studied the rotation? Ok, people learn the rotation. They still get hit? So now there just bad. The fight offers very small freedom of choice, while fights like twintania allow you to position collars to drop where be, where to dodge divebombs, where you would like conflags to go, either under twin or around it. Titan offer's nothing but where to bring him after he falls, which still changes nothing.

3.This fight simply isn't possible with a full public group with the required ilvl gear needed. All of you arguing here about how easy it is either ran with a fc or a shout group "either dodge or I will KICK!!!" Duty finder success rate for this fight is utter garbage, and why is that? For the people who know the struggle, they duty finder either to help learn the fight or hope to get carried in one fashion or another. What ends up happening is then everyone in that party is hoping for a carry, and it goes south.

4.The last part and the MOST IMPORTANT PART (READ HERE IF YOUR MAD AND DIDN'T WANT TO READ ABOVE SAID POST!!!)

Is the item level for this fight. That's what is all boils down to. An average item level of 67 is needed to complete this fight in duty finder. This is almost impossible! Groups in near full i80-i90 are still struggling to even clear this content because it lacks and freedom of decision making. How do you expect a full group with less than full darklight to even stand a chance? THE SIMPLE FACT IS the fight WAS balanced around ilvl 67, and you cannot argue that. If your clearing it in a full i90 gear with other full i90 players, great job! But the fight is simply over punishing, not hard. You not only punish yourself, but you punish the party by having to restart.

Sit there and type all you want about how I'm wrong, how I should go "back to wow!!!" (which honestly? It's a fun game, or else millions wouldn't play it) This fight isn't hard. It doesn't require decision making. It's all dodging and swapping, allowing no freedom of choice. Imagine a twintania with the same mechanics of titan, but geared for i80+? You think anyone in there right mind would go in there and practice for hours without loosing there minds? Stop protecting bad content people, we want fun content that provides a challenge like Ifrit and Twintania, not mindless dodging hoping no one will ever get hit.

[Hitome]

Mad

Yes: we heard you the first time.

Anyone who has done this fight knows there is strategy. Do you let the healer or DPS go in or out for double gaols? Do you break the healer or DPS out first? Which method do you use to dodge the cross bombs? How do you utilize LB? How do you utilize tank CDs like hallowed and holmgang? How do you decide which bomb to kill on the gigantic bomb + plume + geocrush? How many people can die before you call it a wipe? Do you take 2 healers or 1 healer and 5 DPS? What method do you use to avoid weights? How do you optimize your strategy to help people with specific job requirements succeed (casters, melee DPS)? How many stacks do you let the tank take until you swap? Can your DPS communicate so that you do not push Titan into another phase during an inopportune time like after a stomp or upheaval?

It's like I'm talking to people who have no idea what they're talking about due to lack of experience. If a DPS dies before the heart, you raise them. 2 of our Titan kills have been with a DPS who was dead all throughout the heart/post heart phase due to a landslide. One of our kills was done with FIVE people dying and being brought back with raise. It's almost like the people in this thread should read the WHM swiftcast thread.

I'd say, the more you post, the better an idea I get about your experience (or lack thereof) with this fight.

You are the same people who complain about benediction not firing off in time because you put all the blame on the server. Or hallowed ground. Or lustrate. Or a number of other things you blame lag for when it's your own incompetence.

It's really sad to see people who cannot admit that they have trouble with a fight and whine for a nerf. If the fight isn't hard, go do it. Can't do it? Get better at what you do. If this means you have to account for the delay with the server, so be it.

Don't want to do that? Quit.

[ZeroRains]

It's really sad to see people who cannot admit that they have trouble with a fight and whine for a nerf. If the fight isn't hard, go do it. Can't do it? Get better at what you do.

This is why we can't have nice things. Because people like you blame all sorts of other things rather than facing the truth. This fight sucks, was terribly designed. Get over it.

[ZeroRains]

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[Hitome]

Mad and blaming own inadequacies on other things.

I'm actually done with the fight. Several times now.

Your turn.

[ZeroRains]

Mad and blaming own inadequacies on other things.

lol your right, being inadequate to voice my concern over content that I've already completed and can fairly review to help benefit future content. To me, it seems your the only one who's upset the majority doesn't agree. Well, back on topic now.

[Hitome]

lol your right, being inadequate to voice my concern over content that I've already completed and can fairly review to help benefit future content. To me, it seems your the only one who's upset the majority doesn't agree. Well, back on topic now.

The majority in this thread probably have no idea what goes on during the heart phase because they are busy DFing it. Your only valid point was that ilevel was too low. Interesting...I just spent 30 minutes the other day reviewing ilevel requirements for each fight here.

Why would I be mad about the fight? I like the fact that the majority cannot complete it just yet. It means there is still something to do with the remaining approximate 2 months and 2 weeks till 2.2. I've actually told you I enjoy this fight quite a bit several times throughout this thread.

For someone who has completed the fight, your review is pretty misinformed. Do you really think it is game over if a DPS dies pre-heart? Or even post-heart? lol

Citing statistics without citing actual numbers. Whining.

What % would that be?

I wonder why I don't see many people whining about Twintania. Surely she has a bunch of BS in there as well if you find Titan contains BS.

The extremes people will go to to defend their inadequacies in quite alarming...

[ZeroRains]

The majority in this thread probably have no idea what goes on during the heart phase because they are busy DFing it. Your only valid point was that ilevel was too low. Interesting...I just spent 30 minutes the other day reviewing ilevel requirements for each fight here.

Why would I be mad about the fight? I like the fact that the majority cannot complete it just yet. It means there is still something to do with the remaining approximate 2 months and 2 weeks till 2.2. I've actually told you I enjoy this fight quite a bit several times throughout this thread.

For someone who has completed the fight, your review is pretty misinformed. Do you really think it is game over if a DPS dies pre-heart? Or even post-heart? lol

You make valid points, to be sure. Don't think I'm completely saying your wrong, because they do have merit. But Yes, if a dps dies and party is close or around bare minimum, its a wipe. Plain and simple. If your busting gear i90 and rocking 7k pally and 5k dps that parse 400+, you bet the fight isn't over. A good fight doesn't mean being 23 item levels higher than content to clear it makes it fun. Yes, the fight requires very minimal mechanics to succeed, but still doesn't qualify it as content deemed hard and rewarding. More of Oh finally cleared it, never looking at it again.

[Kettle]

All games are 'artificially' difficult. Dodging is a skill in and of itself. If you can't dodge, you don't have the skill for this particular encounter. Sure, memorising the pattern rotation will help, but it isn't necessary. I still don't remember the rotations, even from HM, because it's not something I need to do. You just need to know how to deal with each of those patterns or events.

If you are expecting a stellar turn out in a Duty Finder with no implicit demands on previous experience or performance, then you'll likely be disappointed. You have three choices to succeed:

1) Take a group who you know can all do the fight
2) Take a group with players who can carry those that aren't great at the fight
3) Take a group with players prepared to put the time in together to learn

It sounds as if your base reference is number 3 and this is always going to be the most difficult option because it's ALWAYS the situation that DF is in and ALWAYS the situation DF doesn't want to be in. But it's ultimately the player's choice. Although it's good the option is available, I don't think the DF is how Titan Ex (or even HM) is primarily intended to be completed.

Groups in i80/i90 are not struggling to complete this fight. Groups with multiple players still unable to dodge the abilities and deal with adds and tank switches are struggling to complete this fight. There's a difference. Yes, running Titan Ex in shitty gear is probably a bad idea. Whoop dee doo. But I promise you that the reason players fail is, for the most part, not because of gear.

You keep insisting the only way to have valid difficult content is by making it based on decision making. You like one type of content, we get that. But not everyone consistently likes the same thing. I personally like variation and that my skills are tested in different ways. Decision making is certainly one of those, but being able to perform a dexterous role while under intense pressure is another.

[Peptaru]

Question

Answer: Twintania has things that have been discussed by others.... >>>>Options<<<<

How many do we want to stack for fireball, do we want to feed a fireball and DS (edited, wrote divebomb cuz i was ranting.) to every other conflag? Are we gonna run around individually to neurolinks when we get the orb, or gonna tank her on top of one and have the OT eat them? If he gets liquid hell, do we move Twin or just have people run to the links til the ground under her is clear again? Melee DPS on the main snake or help with the first two babies? On the hill or center-to-side to dodge divebomb? And there are more... but that should be sufficient.

Find me the options in titan, plzthx.

Stack > move > re-stack > re-move > re-stack > re-move.

Oh, another edit: I said % cuz I don't have actual numbers, but it's at least two people, which makes it a percentage. I was not even misleading about anything, nor did I use any actual (inherently woulda been wrong) numbers. Don't be a D-bag; try to make valid points instead of trying to use non-logical arguments.