Titan Extreme is NOT Fun

[Raikki]

Instant death is artificial difficulty. It's a cheap way to make something hard without actually making it hard. Because programming something legitimately hard takes talent.

I completely disagree with this statement. Instant death mechanics are commonplace in even the most critically acclaimed games. They aren't the product of a "lazy" and "talentless" designer. Platformers, in particular, are rife with instant deaths, whether it's getting eaten by the big fish in Super Mario Bros. 3 or touching spikes in a Mega Man game. Both of those series are considered great classics. MMOs have shifted to including more and more action mechanics these days (hence the big issue over latency). You might not like the direction MMOs have taken, and it's fine to say so, but that does not make them "cheap" or lazy.

[Doo]

I completely disagree with this statement. Instant death mechanics are commonplace in even the most critically acclaimed games. They aren't the product of a "lazy" and "talentless" designer. Platformers, in particular, are rife with instant deaths, whether it's getting eaten by the big fish in Super Mario Bros. 3 or touching spikes in a Mega Man game. Both of those series are considered great classics. MMOs have shifted to including more and more action mechanics these days (hence the big issue over latency). You might not like the direction MMOs have taken, and it's fine to say so, but that does not make them "cheap" or lazy.

At least in those games you mentioned, you don't have to rely on 7 other players.

[Raikki]

At least in those games you mentioned, you don't have to rely on 7 other players.

Relying on other players is the nature of a multiplayer team-based game. Relying on teammates to dodge mechanics in an MMO is no different than relying on a teammate to defend the flag room in a Capture the Flag game.

[Doo]

Relying on other players is the nature of a multiplayer team-based game.

To a certain extent that's good.

[Lord_Zlatan]

At least in those games you mentioned, you don't have to rely on 7 other players.

lol then why play an MMO if not to rely on the other players?

[Doo]

lol then why play an MMO if not to rely on the other players?

I don't mind relying on others to some degree. Just don't like it when one or two players can hold down an entire group as seen in titan hm. Most mmos aren't like this. The more skilled players can make up the difference.

[LunarEmerald]

I completely disagree with this statement. Instant death mechanics are commonplace in even the most critically acclaimed games. They aren't the product of a "lazy" and "talentless" designer. Platformers, in particular, are rife with instant deaths, whether it's getting eaten by the big fish in Super Mario Bros. 3 or touching spikes in a Mega Man game. Both of those series are considered great classics. MMOs have shifted to including more and more action mechanics these days (hence the big issue over latency). You might not like the direction MMOs have taken, and it's fine to say so, but that does not make them "cheap" or lazy.

Mario uses instant death very rarely and Mega Man Wily stages where there's just spikes everywhere is lazy level design.

[FMElan]

Mario uses instant death very rarely

Sorry, but you haven't been playing Mario very long if that's what you think. Mario uses instant death all the time. Instant death pits, scrolling screens that can crush you against a wall/push you off a cliff, lava, falling ceilings/crushing walls, fish that can swallow you whole...it's a staple of every classic Mario game.

[LunarEmerald]

Sorry, but you haven't been playing Mario very long if that's what you think. Mario uses instant death all the time. Instant death pits, scrolling screens that can crush you against a wall/push you off a cliff, lava, falling ceilings/crushing walls, fish that can swallow you whole...it's a staple of every classic Mario game.

I was thinking more along the lines of enemies. You're right, there are many other things I forgot about.