Titan Extreme is NOT Fun

[LunarEmerald]

Instant death is artificial difficulty. It's a cheap way to make something hard without actually making it hard. Because programming something legitimately hard takes talent.

[ZeroRains]

Demon Wall

haha alright, ill give you that one

[permbanned]

I disagree. Titan Extreme has to be the most fun I've had in this game since 1.0 launch. I especially love the dance with double plumes lol.

[Anjian]

The fights in this game are pretty fun but you have to admit they are pretty shallow when compared to some of the top bosses of MMOs.

Yeah, I love Grendel in Ragnarok Odyssey when he does a full body press on the party. You know you are doomed when the shadow of the gigantic ape darkens the ground, just before he falls on you. Its hilarious to see it from a distance and done on a fellow party member. You are only allowed three deaths total for your party before instance is terminated.

[Zenaku]

I hate how most tough fights rely on everyone to be good. One guy falls in Titan and it's over, one guy dies, raise him, gets knocked out again. In FFXI you can sort of recover still but in this game recovering is almost impossible for most fights.

Ya but ffxi had bad drop rate where you could do something for months and never get said item. In FFXIV they had to make it casual in some way and make it hard other way. It's just how thing going to be i been in party that could win but someone always lagging and dies. Just have to deal with it and keep going to you find the right people that wont die or lag in titan.

[Raikki]

Instant death is artificial difficulty. It's a cheap way to make something hard without actually making it hard. Because programming something legitimately hard takes talent.

I completely disagree with this statement. Instant death mechanics are commonplace in even the most critically acclaimed games. They aren't the product of a "lazy" and "talentless" designer. Platformers, in particular, are rife with instant deaths, whether it's getting eaten by the big fish in Super Mario Bros. 3 or touching spikes in a Mega Man game. Both of those series are considered great classics. MMOs have shifted to including more and more action mechanics these days (hence the big issue over latency). You might not like the direction MMOs have taken, and it's fine to say so, but that does not make them "cheap" or lazy.

[Doo]

I completely disagree with this statement. Instant death mechanics are commonplace in even the most critically acclaimed games. They aren't the product of a "lazy" and "talentless" designer. Platformers, in particular, are rife with instant deaths, whether it's getting eaten by the big fish in Super Mario Bros. 3 or touching spikes in a Mega Man game. Both of those series are considered great classics. MMOs have shifted to including more and more action mechanics these days (hence the big issue over latency). You might not like the direction MMOs have taken, and it's fine to say so, but that does not make them "cheap" or lazy.

At least in those games you mentioned, you don't have to rely on 7 other players.

[Raikki]

At least in those games you mentioned, you don't have to rely on 7 other players.

Relying on other players is the nature of a multiplayer team-based game. Relying on teammates to dodge mechanics in an MMO is no different than relying on a teammate to defend the flag room in a Capture the Flag game.

[Doo]

Relying on other players is the nature of a multiplayer team-based game.

To a certain extent that's good.

[Mags]

I hate how most tough fights rely on everyone to be good.

This is how difficulty in video games have been since the beginning of their time. In the options of the old games, you can choose east, normal or hard settings. Well... this is how MMOs do it. This is nothing new. If someone is not good enough to meet the challenge, they do not get to progress.

Nope, played FFXI, Dcuo, and Neverwinter. I'm sure not many games makes you rely on players as much as FFXIV does.

Then you did not play FFXI before Abyssea content was released. The game basically made you group with others after level 10 at minimum (BST excluded) if you wanted to level to 75. This is nothing new for an SE MMO, to make you want to group up with others to accomplish goals.

It is an online game called MMO, afterall.