Titan Extreme is NOT Fun

[Dedayius]

Patch 2.2 is going to bring Titan Super Extreme where there is a 2x2 pixel square that you can stand on to be safe from the landslide. Hope you noobs are up to the challenge!

[Hitome]

Your complaint is then that SE server's don't update fast enough.

Even if they don't, this fight is still doable. If you don't find it fun, really just stop doing it. There is absolutely no need to complete Titan Ex. People have killed everything pre-2.1 with 2.0 gear. You can do it too.

You want a shiny level 90 weapon? Some of them that are best in slot till you can take down the hardest fight in the game? You're going to need to work for it. Geesh it's like you want everything handed to you in this game. It's not even about hardcore or casual stuff. I've seen plenty of party finder Garudas do just fine and people are just getting into Titan. I expect they'll be able to down it within a couple weeks through party finder just like Titan HM. And you know what's after Titan? A joke.

Why are people so afraid of overcoming challenges.

[Chiramu]

If this is the reaction to Titan extreme, then imagine the reaction to Ifrit extreme XD.

Personally I don't have the guts at present to tackle garuda extreme, but like with HM titan I'm sure we will all get the hang of it and it will be less scary. Titan has always been a very predictable encounter.

[SilverRhythm]

If this is the reaction to Titan extreme, then imagine the reaction to Ifrit extreme XD.

Personally I don't have the guts at present to tackle garuda extreme, but like with HM titan I'm sure we will all get the hang of it and it will be less scary. Titan has always been a very predictable encounter.

Ifrit extreme is sort of a little easier compared to Titan Extreme because you have a wider area of movement and don't have to be afraid of falling down. If you watch the video by MrHappy, it does look easier but don't look down on it, Ifrit nukes are really painful.

[ToraFomalhaut]

If this is the reaction to Titan extreme, then imagine the reaction to Ifrit extreme XD.

Personally I don't have the guts at present to tackle garuda extreme, but like with HM titan I'm sure we will all get the hang of it and it will be less scary. Titan has always been a very predictable encounter.

That's part of the problem I find with all content to date. All endgame fights, if not all fights operate on a strict script that once you learn said script, it's just a matter of dancing to the tune correctly and suddenly content stops being a challenge and starts being a chore. It's becoming more and more of a concern that the developers of boss encounters are either, lacking in creativity or too limited by the games mechanics and systems to be able to provide truly dynamic encounters.

For example most endgame fights so far (OmegaX, Twinania although you can subvert Twintania's / heal through it rather easily, TitanX, IfritX and to a lesser extent GarudaX with the spiny plume) employ the same unimaginative tank swapping mechanic in order to justify DF's need for two tanks as part of the line up.

[Xenobius]

For example in most endgame fights so far employ the same unimaginative tank swapping mechanic in order to justify DF's need for two tanks as part of the line up.

Not that I want to justify abusing the stacking tank debuff mechanic, but there's only so much you can do with multiple tanks in small group raids. Damage split (Hydra), armor debuffs, adds to tank - and that's pretty much it. Sure, you can design crazy stuff like the Netherspite encounter or proper council-type fights like WoW's ODS but... It takes proper designers and time which SE doesn't have it seems. I have no idea why they can't modify a few bits here and there, fine-tuning some fights to only have one tank (and allowing stuff like Atramedes encounter), but I guess their whole system is as unflexible as it gets. So unless something changes drastically, we can expect more AoEs, more forced tank-swapping and the like.

[ToraFomalhaut]

Not that I want to justify abusing the stacking tank debuff mechanic, but there's only so much you can do with multiple tanks in small group raids. Damage split (Hydra), armor debuffs, adds to tank - and that's pretty much it. Sure, you can design crazy stuff like the Netherspite encounter or proper council-type fights like WoW's ODS but... It takes proper designers and time which SE doesn't have it seems. I have no idea why they can't modify a few bits here and there, fine-tuning some fights to only have one tank (and allowing stuff like Atramedes encounter), but I guess their whole system is as unflexible as it gets. So unless something changes drastically, we can expect more AoEs, more forced tank-swapping and the like.

I agree with you, I often wonder why bother forcing two tanks in DF sign ups considering there is the tank shortage / dps over population. If you aren't going to bother developing content that makes dynamic use of an additional tank outside of just plain swapping every few hits then why not just scrap the need for more than one tank and allow DF queues to use the spot for another DPS or healer?

Don't get me wrong, tank swapping is a legitimate tactic sure, but just not in every fight... It just screams unimaginative / lazy design. They need to stop designing the content around the duty finder as the rigid party set up restrictions are impeding their mechanic options greatly.

[Evenstar]

Not that I want to justify abusing the stacking tank debuff mechanic, but there's only so much you can do with multiple tanks in small group raids. Damage split (Hydra), armor debuffs, adds to tank - and that's pretty much it. Sure, you can design crazy stuff like the Netherspite encounter or proper council-type fights like WoW's ODS but... It takes proper designers and time which SE doesn't have it seems. I have no idea why they can't modify a few bits here and there, fine-tuning some fights to only have one tank (and allowing stuff like Atramedes encounter), but I guess their whole system is as unflexible as it gets. So unless something changes drastically, we can expect more AoEs, more forced tank-swapping and the like.

Everything SE and Yoshi had to do so far has been rushed.

2.0 was rushed to make up for the crazy 1.0 version.

2.1 was rushed because 75% of 2.1 should have been in 2.0.

2.2 will be rushed too I think, but starting 2.3 I expect proper content from Yoshi and SE. I give them until then at least. Right now I am not happy with a few things and the huge amount of copy/paste with small changes in the content (NM/HM/XM battles, beastmen quests, boss mechanics all are copy/paste).

[valho]

If this is the reaction to Titan extreme, then imagine the reaction to Ifrit extreme XD.

Personally I don't have the guts at present to tackle garuda extreme, but like with HM titan I'm sure we will all get the hang of it and it will be less scary. Titan has always been a very predictable encounter.

Sadly Ifrit Extreme doesn't provide as much challenge as Titan Extreme, after my FC team try it for a few hours we already got the hang of it and know that we can kill it the next day when we try again, it was getting late and everyone was tired. Titan Extreme itself took us some hours of practice in the span of 2 days in order to get the phases down and everyone in sync to down it. It takes a lot of focus and a simple mistake usually means wipe. Our FC team are happy we manage to down it and now we can teach help others in our FC to clear Primal Extreme.

[SilverRhythm]

Finally a Titan EM rage thread, I was kinda expecting it.

I think Titan EM is partially fun to me but also stressful. I agree the unforgiving situation if even one mate goes down could result with a painful wipe. However, if you think about the word "Extreme" I think it has met the expectations of many people.

Extreme indeed. A very crazy fight I must say but a worthy challenge for even the most hardcore players. I don't think a nerf is needed, people should just stay focus on the reward that awaits in front of you after beating Titan EM (reward is your very own primal i90 weapon and it sure is awesome). Even after watching the video preview, I knew that its going to be something crazy but if you want to gain something really good in game or in fact your BiS, you have to be ready for this.