Item Level and You

[LunarEmerald]

(They likely have done it themselves)

I laughed.

[Purrfectstorm]

Sure, 1 player w/ i57 isn't that bad, but the more players you have with that kind of gear the exponentially worse it gets. And I actually heard one player say they were hoping for a carry. But what if everyone joins a group hoping for a carry? LOL It gets quite absurd. And yes, I'm pretty sure my group was as good as I think they were. I've beaten it with far worse groups, too much struggle dealing enough damage.

[ispano]

Sure, 1 player w/ i57 isn't that bad, but the more players you have with that kind of gear the exponentially worse it gets. And I actually heard one player say they were hoping for a carry. But what if everyone joins a group hoping for a carry? LOL It gets quite absurd. And yes, I'm pretty sure my group was as good as I think they were. I've beaten it with far worse groups, too much struggle dealing enough damage.

The problem is that is the gate required to get in, which usually means the devs have tested the content with that level of gear and deemed it doable. Does it get easier the better gear you have? Sure, but it's still doable at the minimum if people know how to play.

[Ronyx]

Sure, 1 player w/ i57 isn't that bad, but the more players you have with that kind of gear the exponentially worse it gets. And I actually heard one player say they were hoping for a carry. But what if everyone joins a group hoping for a carry? LOL It gets quite absurd. And yes, I'm pretty sure my group was as good as I think they were. I've beaten it with far worse groups, too much struggle dealing enough damage.

Agree. A single player can be carried with item Lv 57 but all other 7 must have decent gears to do so. ALL members in item Lv57 its simply not possible. Eventually healers will run out of MP, the 3 consecutive Turmoils will kill or almost kill anyone under 3k HP specially mages. Not enough DPS to destroy Hearts or Gaols on time. SE should rise the Avg item Lv of certain fights.

[indira]

gear > skill.

you can be the greatest player but lack gear your not going to be strong enough to heal, dps, or tank.

[FelisC]

Your gear has to be at a certain minimum to clear content; after that it's skill that matters.

If you have 2800 HP it's going to be hard to clear Titan HM, because you won't survive post-heart stomps without SS + Adlo, and if both of your healers and casters have that much HP you won't be able to get them all up in time... But if you have that minimum HP met and run it with 5 DPS, you can clear it no problem with a group that can dodge.

[chocomaid]

It makes no sense to go for relic before getting full DL or better. You're going to want that gear anyway right? And it's SO easy to get! Why go for relic in all green and white gear? Getting carried is not a plan anyone, casual or hardcore should endorse.

How did you measure their "skill" btw, just curious, sure they may have been able to dodge stuff and follow tactics but, how do you know their level of skill regarding their assigned job? Anyone has the possibility to dodge them plumes but if their rotations and CD management is poor then well... That may be the problem, not the gear.

It makes much less sense to get full DL or better to get your relic. Why do people need to overgear content to clear it? Where is the challenge gone? A party with full dl or better as you said will literally breeze through Titan HM one handed while drinking tea, assuming they are decently experienced with the fight.

It will definitely help but no not needed, a lot of players, including me have done Titan HM several times for their multiple relics with sub-optimal gear like the GC weapon along with greens from AK/WP plus the cheap craftable accessories, and grouped with like minded/geared people. The only thing that differs from us is a friend of mine (relic tank) who constantly helps me through the HM, and that shouldn't make much of a difference regarding your DPS problem.

The only thing that resulted in the introduction of ilvl is the stupidly high ilvl requirements made by people resulting in:
-players not being invited to raid groups and farm runs despite that they've cleared those content countless of times beforehand
(people asking for i90 for CT, i80 for WP, even though i70 or slightly lower geared people cleared them effortlessly before)
-animosity in the community
-elitism

[Skotie]

It makes much less sense to get full DL or better to get your relic. Why do people need to overgear content to clear it? Where is the challenge gone? A party with full dl or better as you said will literally breeze through Titan HM one handed while drinking tea, assuming they are decently experienced with the fight.

The problem is most people don't like challenge, not everyone can do it eventually. That's why we get GRIND, pointless time consuming content designed for everyone.

[Doo]

It makes much less sense to get full DL or better to get your relic. Why do people need to overgear content to clear it? Where is the challenge gone? A party with full dl or better as you said will literally breeze through Titan HM one handed while drinking tea, assuming they are decently experienced with the fight.

Being full dl isn't really over geared for titan hm. It's about right. For skilled players it may be over geared but for 99.9 percent of duty finders it's under geared.

[Ri_ri]

It makes no sense to go for relic before getting full DL or better.