Tank-specific tips for Extreme Primals

[Versiroth]

This is just incorrect. First, with Chirada dead, Suparna can't use Wicked Wheel. The MT will never have to eat two double WW unless the DPS is split between the sisters or your DPS is so bad that you're 2/3 of the way through the fight and still haven't downed either sister. Once Chirada is down, you eat one WW from Garuda, which hits you for 2500-3000 damage on WAR after IB and Foresight -- nothing to write home about. The threat with that particular screwup is that your melee DPS are in range of Garuda's WW, which can one-shot them. Additionally, it's the OT's job to take the spiny at the start of sister phase. There are no tornadoes for a while, so you just RoH/BB on Chirada, then provoke and Lobahawk the spiny. Most of the OT's job can be written as "don't panic!"

My bad on the second DWW. Also, most groups I've went into have told me (as OT) not to touch the spiny in twisters until someone has 2 stacks. Plus, I've found that at times, the spiny has to be provoked more than once in twisters. If you're trying to provoke spiny at the beginning of twisters as OT, I've found that Provoke normally isn't available when Chirada dies and the MT needs to provoke spiny from you. And then, if you provoke Suparna once provoke is available, the spiny will get to 2 stacks on the MT when your provoke is still on CD. Your method would make the most sense if the timing didn't get so weird at times with provoke and spiny. As is, you run the risk of getting super tornadoed due to provoke being down when you need it.

Gods, what a mess. As MT, you barely get any relief from dropping Suparna's WW because you get 2/3 of it in the form of Chirada's Downburst immediately before Garuda's WW. That MT is carrying the hell out of your group if he's taking Chirada, spiny, and Garuda all at once. The reason you don't do that is that unless your tank has memorized the exact timing of everything and can do it with no HUD at all, you can't see three targets at once. MT has Garuda on focus and a sister targeted, and that's all you can see at once -- while grabbing the spiny, your tank is literally blindfolded. More power to him if he can do it, but it's just plain inadvisable.

Our MT is i90 and amazing. He did all of that on his own. Yes, he carried the group (me), but he's the leader of our FC and again, he's awesome. Plus, you're definitely over reacting a bit. You don't have to keep the spiny targeted. Garuda is already on you, so, you RoH chirada, tab to spiny/provoke, then run to your corner. Once you get two stacks, you run back in so the OT can provoke. No blindfold needed.

[Gamemako]

My bad on the second DWW. Also, most groups I've went into have told me (as OT) not to touch the spiney in twisters until someone has 2 stacks.

Politely tell them that they have no idea what they're talking about.

Plus, I've found that at times, the spiney has to be provoked more than once in twisters.

That can technically happen if you provoke before it sets aggro (immediately at spawn, when you should be hitting Chirada) or if you don't hit it with additional enmity after provoke (MT cooldowns will generate enough enmity to take it back). All of this is, again, a matter of not panicking.

If you're trying to provoke spiney at the beginning of twisters as OT, I've found that Provoke normally isn't available when Chirada dies and the MT needs to provoke spiney from you.

It will always be available in time for the swap, hitting 2 stacks just as Provoke comes off cooldown (it applies 1 stack every 20 seconds).

And then, if you provoke Suparna once provoke is available, the spiney will get to 2 stacks on the MT when your provoke is still on CD.

There's not enough time for it to go off at all -- you swap once only per phase. The MT will then damage the spiny to prepare for jump and, when Garuda jumps, finishes the Spiny. You will never be hit by supercyclone.

[Lemon8or]

It will always be available in time for the swap, hitting 2 stacks just as Provoke comes off cooldown (it applies 1 stack every 20 seconds).

It doesn't unfortunately. Spiny sometimes can apply 1 stack right away or before the first 20 seconds is over. In solo healing party, if I OT, I usually find myself waiting on Provoke to be off CD (I pull suparna away from MT so melee can hit her safely) if I use it on Spiny right as it spawns.

[Versiroth]

It doesn't unfortunately. Spiny sometimes can apply 1 stack right away or before the first 20 seconds is over.

This has been my experience as well. It seems the safer bet is to just leave Garuda and Suparna on the MT the whole time. This way, provoke is always available for spiny and once Chirada is dead, all melee have to do is wait for Garuda to WW and then jump in to finish off Suparna. Plus, with two healers on the MT at that point, there's no reason he should die once Chirada is down.

I have a question though. How do you handle pulling the spiny as MT mostly? When I tab to spiny in twisters, I can't see Suparna at all. Do you just let the OT sit with two stacks until after she slipstreams for the second time before moving in to tab/provoke the spiny? I find that often times, I'll get hit because I go in to provoke and she slip streams me from behind.