Fairly New, Some Questions~

[Archona]

Oh my God, and you know what that means? That means she'll never be the best of the best in a video game! THE HORROR!

Seriously, dude. Just stop. Let people enjoy playing the game the way that they want to. This is a game filled with people who rushed their asses to 50 and now complain about how they have no content. And then you have someone who wants to take their time and enjoy different aspects of the game(like crafting and gathering), as well as getting a different sense of accomplishment and your advice is to...ignore all of that and just get to 50, because otherwise they'll fall behind?

For reals yo! Oh, until we all run out of content and she catches up anyway. Or until the next i100 items come into the game and don't require i90 to get. Or until they add crafted gear that is closer to/caught up to the i90 stuff and she'll have her crafts done. . . The gear people spend hours upon hours grinding for is outdated the moment you own it, like computers.

Right on with the sentiment

I'm not forcing OP in any way to use one method or another, merely pointing out the pros and cons. If you want to take your time and play the game, go ahead and do so. Players who ask for advice do not need to be told to take it slow; thats what they're already doing. Players, especially new ones, should know just exactly what that means, and a person new to MMOs should definitely learn just how MMOs work. Maybe you are okay with mediocrity and never improving or changing, but I for one want everyone to be their best, play their best, and know what they're getting into. OP asked for advice, so I assumed that they're somewhat interested in self-improvement. If you read my posts you can see that I don't care what playstyle you choose, I only care that you're educated about the nature of the situation and not simply wasting your time and money.

You two seem to feel fine oppressing new players and keeping them unaware about the bigger picture.

Peptaru not sure why you suggest its favorable to wait for content to be outdated before you experience it. That is awful advice and that is essentially robbing the OP of very valuable and fun experiences. Why play the game now at all? Just wait a few more years for expansions to come out lolololol

In any case, I still highly suggest getting one character to level 50 reasonably quickly, and then play however as you want with future characters/classes. Once you have a Lv50 you can go back and play slow-mo on another class or character if you want, and still have the option to make gil quickly at anytime, and still have the benefit of experiencing the game with the vast majority of its players.

What you are suggesting is for them to waste another month or two's worth of time and money doing something that can be done within a week, without all the options and bonuses above.

Go fast, go slow, doesn't matter, just know that if you go slow you put yourself at a severe disadvantage for every single bit of content in the game. Less players queueing up for those dungeons/raids, less people doing FATEs, less gil to earn, etc. Eventually if you're too slow then content becomes outdated as people outgear/outlevel it and then by the time you get there, you're not even experiencing the content the way it was meant to. Sure this might not matter to you, but new players should still at least be aware that consequences like this exist.

[FMElan]

What you are suggesting is for them to waste another month or two's worth of time and money doing something that can be done within a week, without all the options and bonuses above.

...We're playing a game, man. All we're doing is wasting time and money. I never got this whole rush to be as efficient as possible in a video game. The entire point is that we're being inefficient.

[Archona]

...We're playing a game, man. All we're doing is wasting time and money. I never got this whole rush to be as efficient as possible in a video game. The entire point is that we're being inefficient.

I never got this "we're playing a game so we can't be efficient" argument. For many, including me, games are a test of reflexes, skill, knowledge, and logic. If I wanted to shut off my brain, I'd just watch TV. Video games should be about engaging yourself. For many, we can't play 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Don't hate on people who enjoy using their heads a little bit. It doesn't ruin the game, it only enhances it as it allows us to fully experience the game while challenging ourselves every step of the way.

[Peptaru]

More attitude for anyone who doesn't agree with you, as in another thread.

Dude... Guy... Person... you may be the most ridiculous person I've ever read posts from. Seriously. Thousands and thousands of posts... and I think you're winning. Again, you are failing to grasp a simple concept, if someone is enjoying themselves they are not wasting time. Again you cannot acknowledge any points counter to yours, no matter how sound they are. As someone else has pointed out, there are crafters and gatherers who enjoy the game with ZERO lv 50 DoM/DoW. You really need to realize there are other points of view, this whole personal fable-esque thing needs to just stop.

You do a fine job of not reading what I wrote, I said she'll catch up, not that she should do outdated content.

"highly suggest getting one character to level 50. . . then play however as you want. . ." But you don't tell people how to play.

The one benefit your posts have, is that the points people use to try to make you understand are the posts which are actually beneficial to new players.

Crafting brings steady, reasonable gil. You won't find huge sums of money to be had in FFXIV unless you join one of those "merc" crews. Stick to your quests, your crafts, whatever else you enjoy and the money will come.

If you can land a Free Company, they will have various FC (free company) buffs active at different times. Some of those are really handy for leveling or for saving money. Bonus to crafting stats, bonus to xp, reduced teleport costs and so on.

[ispano]

"highly suggest getting one character to level 50. . . then play however as you want. . ." But you don't tell people how to play.

You just made no sense at all. The word "suggest" is clearly there, which goes quite against you saying he's telling them how to play. His information is all valid, and he's not telling the person they are wrong to choose to do differently. He's just providing the information and you're bashing him for it.

The point is that his advice is not wrong, but neither is yours. You're just bashing him because it differs, and saying he's forcing when he's not. In that light, you'd be doing the same thing and be just as guilty.

Give your advice, let others give theirs. Let the person asking for it, choose what they want to do. Don't bash others advice because you disagree with it. As long as there is no mis-information going around, that's all that should happen.

[Peptaru]

You just made no sense at all. The word "suggest" is clearly there,

Did you skip the second part where it says "then play however as (lolgrammar) you want"? That says that he is saying what to do first, then play how they want... So he says both. He counters every piece of anything that he doesn't write by saying its wrong. (write, right, play on words!)

"He's not telling people they are wrong to choose to do differently." . . . He just calls it dumb, a waste of time, inefficient.... Are we even reading the same posts? We cannot be.

(As I did in the last post, too, I'll end with more advice.)

The introduction of dailies --as you gain higher levels-- and the rewards from duty roulette will add up if you can keep on top of them. I know it's hard to push myself into them every day, but i do each of the 4 roulettes a few times in a week, and do my beastmen dailies each day. My gil #'s keep going up.

[ispano]

Did you skip the second part where it says "then play however as (lolgrammar) you want"? That says that he is saying what to do first, then play how they want... So he says both. He counters every piece of anything that he doesn't write by saying its wrong. (write, right, play on words!)

"He's not telling people they are wrong to choose to do differently." . . . He just calls it dumb, a waste of time, inefficient.... Are we even reading the same posts? We cannot be.

(As I did in the last post, too, I'll end with more advice.)

The introduction of dailies --as you gain higher levels-- and the rewards from duty roulette will add up if you can keep on top of them. I know it's hard to push myself into them every day, but i do each of the 4 roulettes a few times in a week, and do my beastmen dailies each day. My gil #'s keep going up.

No, I didn't skip it, you skipped the first part and split them. It's ONE piece of advice. He suggests doing that, then to continue however you wish. Not two separate things. Next, the act of giving advice IS telling people what to do, just in your way of doing it. You're basically doing the same thing. It's not wrong, it's what advice is. Another thing is his "time is money", that's 100% correct. You say you gather the items yourself so it's free, this is false. That time could have been spent doing something else, or making money, or whatnot. You don't HAVE to do those things, no one is forcing you to, but it's not free.