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  1. #41
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    Time is only money when you are at work (as intended by Franklin), video games, as I've said before are intended only to pass time. If time were money, no one would be playing. The three separated dots indicate omission, not deletion. I did not "skip" anything, it was merely shortened to be used as a reference to the original post; English.

    Let's say "time is money" is right, and its not free. What will you do with the money? Buy things that other people made with their time? They are charging you 10x or more what their time was worth, you just got a terrible return on your time investment. As someone else pointed out, in regards to low level recipes, you can make lots of money by "wasting" your time. The pinnacle, as I also brought up earlier, is if you are in a "merc" group. Running < 10 minute EX primals for cash will trump anything you can do solo.

    The only situation I could see "time is money" being even remotely applicable is if you were sitting in town saying "there is nothing to do" when you could be gathering, crafting, dungeoning (new verb?) or anything that would increase the gil in your coffers. Again, to qualify it all, we pay SE to play, we play to waste time, time in a video game is not money.

    Edit; Addition: Hey people who feel the need to try to argue with me and say that I'm argumentative, you have added nothing to this thread.... Include some information relevant to the OP if you wanna go back and forth, as I've been doing. Applying broad generalizations to quotations dilutes the idea behind important sayings to the point they are no longer relevant. It has nothing to do with being pedantic. --- By that definition you "skipped" the second part of it, the part which counters your admired first part. This is all off track, contribute something useful. Crafting your own gear, and gathering your own stuff to make it is different from farming gil to spend on that same gear in what way? You're dismissive but offer no concrete alternatives.

    The important part: Another money maker is the new treasure maps - If you gather your own. A group of 8 people, doing the maps which you can take 8 people to will each make 1500/5000 gil per treasure map. If you all have two maps, you will make nice chunks of change.
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    Last edited by Peptaru; 12-28-2013 at 12:49 AM.

  2. #42
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    Wren Zakalwe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
    Time is only money when you are at work (as intended by Franklin), video games, as I've said before are intended only to pass time. If time were money, no one would be playing.
    You're being far too pedantic with your definition. Time is money absolutely applies.
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  3. #43
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    Melfina Amastacia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
    Time is only money when you are at work (as intended by Franklin), video games, as I've said before are intended only to pass time. If time were money, no one would be playing. The three separated dots indicate omission, not deletion. I did not "skip" anything, it was merely shortened to be used as a reference to the original post; English.

    Let's say "time is money" is right, and its not free. What will you do with the money? Buy things that other people made with their time? They are charging you 10x or more what their time was worth, you just got a terrible return on your time investment. As someone else pointed out, in regards to low level recipes, you can make lots of money by "wasting" your time. The pinnacle, as I also brought up earlier, is if you are in a "merc" group. Running < 10 minute EX primals for cash will trump anything you can do solo.

    The only situation I could see "time is money" being even remotely applicable is if you were sitting in town saying "there is nothing to do" when you could be gathering, crafting, dungeoning (new verb?) or anything that would increase the gil in your coffers. Again, to qualify it all, we pay SE to play, we play to waste time, time in a video game is not money.

    Another money maker is the new treasure maps - If you gather your own. A group of 8 people, doing the maps which you can take 8 people to will each make 1500/5000 gil per treasure map. If you all have two maps, you will make nice chunks of change.
    People like to use "it's a game" to dismiss whatever they wish to dismiss. Doesn't mean you're correct. There is an in game currency, time spent playing doing one thing, can easily be spent making money or doing something else. The term does apply, you just don't like it.

    When I said skip, I didn't mean you left things out. I meant you skipped the entire point, saying that the last part was the only relevant part to help your argument and that the whole thing was ONE piece of advice, not holding a gun to their head to force them to play in said way. Not everyone plays the same way, not everyone plays a game "to pass time" like you do. This is where you aren't getting it. The way you play is not the way everyone plays, but you bash them for it anyways.
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  4. #44
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    OMG, this thread started off as one of the most friendly, helpful threads I've seen in a while.

    And then by page 3 it turned into another one of *those* threads. Nevertheless, some great suggestions in here and I hope the OP just sifts through the rest.
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  5. #45
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    Apologies if it was mentioned, but trade craft leve quests can bring you alright gil. For example, the apple juice leve in Limsa Lominsa for a level 40 (45?) culinarian doesn't require too much effort (about level 45 botany to gather the materials). I realize it's a bit long term if you're starting out, but once you get there you have a decent way to grind gil without relying on the marketboard. There are other leves for other trade crafts too of course, just have to find a triple turn in leve that won't require too much grinding to get the materials.
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    Orophin Calmcacil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirana View Post
    2) Oh, well from the sound of it my Lancer is more useful than Dragoon lol
    From a solo standpoint there's nothing wrong with playing with Lancer. If you're grouping with people for dungeons you'll want to use DRG though. You get 20 more str (the equivalent of level 50 piece of gear) and job specific abilities that will enhance your damage more than some of the cross class abilities you pick up.
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    Shirana Everdark
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    Well I did not expect to return to a couple pages of arguing lol
    Anyways I decided to catch my crafting up with my character. I do not find the idea of spamming past all the content to end game just to repeat one or two things again and again and again everyday fun. I do not care to be rich either. I just want a source of income so that I do not have to worry about gil and so that I can buy myself fancy fashionable things at some point but that can wait~
    I shall check out the market to see if there is anything I can sell too from time to time. And of course I shall teleport less. I will be 100% honest here...I teleport alot because I somehow manage to get lost even with a map lol It's all the weird location names. They can be hard to remember xD
    Thanks for all the helpful replies :3

    Edit: Oh! ANd I will use the link provided earlier by nostrade for anymore questions. Thanks to her too :3
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    Last edited by Shirana; 12-29-2013 at 01:20 AM.

  8. #48
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    I hope this is not nerco'ing ^^

    Just wanted to give an update for the people that might care to know.
    I have only been leveling crafting and gathering classes and on occasion new lvl 1 classes just to try out other classes too when i need a break from it!
    It does take quite a while, and I do wish the crafting system did not require like every class, but it has been fun! Currently have Mining, Botany, Carpenter, Blacksmith and Armorer at lvl 10-11 and started on getting them to 15. Quite slow, but it's getting easier as I understand it more and thus more quicker.
    I always loved the idea of making my own gears anyways~
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