1 click Turn 2 strat broken?

[Kuwagami]

It does diminish my gameplay. When a dps is unable to make it to our static any given week we must instead use a pug. Due to the proliferation of this strategy finding pugs skilled enough to actually pass rot and do the mechanics is becoming increasingly difficult. That directly effects my gameplay and makes me very concerned about what other people do.

Then when you HAVE TO use a pug, just do the enrage way. It's just about passing it anyway

[Tiggy]

Then when you HAVE TO use a pug, just do the enrage way. It's just about passing it anyway

We refuse to do it that way because it is lazy. So as I said it does indeed diminish my gameplay and it leaves me very concerned about what other people do. Everyone in this thread argues this is a viable strategy and people should let others do what they want. Here I stand up and say we don't want to do it that way and it's hindering my ability to use pugs. Now you pop up and argue I should just cave and do it this way instead of the way we want? The unbelievable amount of hypocrisy in this thread is staggering.

[PArcher]

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The problem is you're expecting PUG DPS to be good. Most good DPS are already claimed by statics, and most PUGing it aren't up to par. If you can't take time to teach people, or wait long enough to find a good PUG, the problem is more with you, honestly.

And for all you know, all you're getting are people new to T2, geared or not. A LOT of people say they have experience when they don't since many groups refuse to take new people.

At the very least, you need to explain your strat to every PUG you grab since not everyone does every fight the same way (don't know how many different ways I've attempted to clear T4 with, for example)

[Kuwagami]

We refuse to do it that way because it is lazy.

So you're restraining your own gameplay by your own choices. If they can't do it, teach them, but it will take time. They know how to do an other way and YOU ask them to do otherwise. You're the one wrong if you can't understand that they won't suddenly be good in the old school way (no disrespect intended.)

So as I said it does indeed diminish my gameplay and it leaves me very concerned about what other people do. Everyone in this thread argues this is a viable strategy and people should let others do what they want.Here I stand up and say we don't want to do it that way and it's hindering my ability to use pugs. Now you pop up and argue I should just cave and do it this way instead of the way we want? The unbelievable amount of hypocrisy in this thread is staggering.

You're the one being hypocrit when you say it's hindering your PUG possibilities. Without that method, you wouldn't have any more possibilities to PUG because these "non skilled" people wouldn't be able to clear it anyway. The method hasn't changed anything, except that people now get more chance to gear in il90 and thus get some more damage/health to achieve the old school way.

[Yoten]

The method hasn't changed anything, except that people now get more chance to gear in il90 and thus get some more damage/health to achieve the old school way.

The thing is, gear alone isn't enough to teach people the mechanics. You can have a full ilvl 90 party wipe to HM Titan if they don't know how to dodge plumes. Or, alternatively, you can have a skilled group clear something like Extreme Garuda at the low duty-finder ilvl of the mid-60's if they're on their game. The groups that rely on the enrage mechanic to clear T2 are, frankly, being cheated out of the ability to learn the proper mechanics, and are put into an unfavorable position when it comes to the coil or extreme mode primals. And the pug groups that pick them up and wipe repeatedly are the casualties of this pattern.

[Kuwagami]

The thing is, gear alone isn't enough to teach people the mechanics. You can have a full ilvl 90 party wipe to HM Titan if they don't know how to dodge plumes. Or, alternatively, you can have a skilled group clear something like Extreme Garuda at the low duty-finder ilvl of the mid-60's if they're on their game. The groups that rely on the enrage mechanic to clear T2 are, frankly, being cheated out of the ability to learn the proper mechanics, and are put into an unfavorable position when it comes to the coil or extreme mode primals. And the pug groups that pick them up and wipe repeatedly are the casualties of this pattern.

having more il-90 gear allows more room for mistakes lag-related or just reflex-related. It allows those who actually want to learn to get a more comfortable background to learn the fight than just a "error => wipe" like it is against Titan HM (I dunno yet how unforgiving it is for the EX primals). If people are unwilling to learn, then you can pick others. There are plenty who are seeking statics.

[Marleytiva]

I can't believe that people are really saying that this is just "creative use" of mechanics while maintaining that they're not making an already easy fight laughable. Do it however you want, but at least admit you're doing it because you can't coordinate with other players and that you cannot step out of a red line. Good luck in the new Extremes.

Edit: I feel bad for players with legitimate ISP issues, but there's really no excuse for those without said issues.