Man up Tanks!

[JeTaisNoobie]

I would only leave a group if I experience really nasty players. Just yesterday I had the luxury of tanking Garuda ex mode. In the first pull, I dragged Garuda to the wall. After we wiped on that run, our dragoon's first sentence was "noob, don't drag it to the wall". I mean there's no correct or incorrect way of pulling Garuda, unless of course I decide to introduce Garuda to my teammates up close and personal, so why handle the situation like that?

I would've easily complied if he had spoken nicely, it didn't have to be polite, just well mannered.

[wonka11]

I have encountered a lot of parties in the duty roulette where tanks have just bailed on parties, mostly in wp, for no reason. None of these parties were a problem, most were a pleasure to run with. I always hit join pt in progress because a tank who bails in the middle is a pain in the ass and i can fill in np.

You are the most desired class, War or Pld. Man up and stop bailing on new players. Most either need to learn or are leveling alt classes that need gear. Stop Giving tanks a bad name.

Tanks don't usually leave for no reason, they do however leave for the following reasons:

DPS/Healer is not prepared or properly geared (ilvl system is still a joke, no one in pieces of af gear should be queuing for HK HM or any of the tougher dungeons)
DPS/Healer does not know the fights and as selfish individuals expect to be carried despite having a pletheora of both free and easy to access sources that will teach them what they need to know quickly
DPS/Healer disregard fight mechanics or don't bother dodging them and as a result make the party suffer and wipe
DPS/Healer is poor at playing their class because they have not taken the time to learn it


Just as we are expected to be good tanks, know our class, the positions, and the fight, it is equally expected of all players and in all roles to do the same. One thing that enrages me a lot about the younger generation of players that are also present in this game, is they believe they can join an instance, any fight, without having first prepared themselves properly be it through their gear or knowledge of the fight. As I've said, there are too many resources available to give any logical explanation as to why you do not know the fight despite it being your first time, nor your class. Any objection to the contrary is selfish, shortsighted, and arbitrary.

You want us to stay in groups? Run the proper instances multiple times to get within a decent ilvl range before you queue for harder things. I have a Blm/Smn/Sch/Monk/Warrior i70lvl or higher, and I geared each by starting and farming the appropriate ilvl dungeons (CM runs, lots of CM runs) before I attempted harder things because I wanted to carry my weight and provide an enjoyable experience for my other team mates while not wasting everyone's time or dragging out the instance.

Its a mark of common courtesy and speaks volumes about the type of player you are; it decides if you're simply a selfish scrub or a skillful participant.

TL : DR they left because your party was bad.

[EvilHippie]

Wonka11 Some people learn by doing not watching a youtube video.

Reading most of these posts about people justifying bailing are missing the point. My op was about tanks bailing in the first minute, or after first boss in wp or ak. With perfectly good parties that i had no trouble completing dungeons with. Man up if its an under geared pt or inexperienced. Don't justify being an elitest douchebag.

Edit: not calling wonka a douchebag, I mean in general.

[wonka11]

Wonka11 Some people learn by doing not watching a youtube video.

Reading most of these posts about people justifying bailing are missing the point. My op was about tanks bailing in the first minute, or after first boss in wp or ak. With perfectly good parties that i had no trouble completing dungeons with. Man up if its an under geared pt or inexperienced. Don't justify being an elitest douchebag.

Edit: not calling wonka a douchebag, I mean in general.

Ill say it again, saying anything to the contrary is arbitrary and selfish. You can watch the video, know what to expect, and then learn the feel of it by doing it. If you're seriously going to try to argue the counterpoint, you'll just end up looking ridiculous.

The job description is labeled tank, not carry.

[EvilHippie]

How is it arbitrary and selfish to learn by doing? Even if you have watched the videos and read the strategies you can get an idea, yes, but actually doing it is what teaches you. I believe the term is called practicing. Knowing a job is the start, but every dungeon is different. I can watch a video and learn the mechanics but that doesn't teach me a complete way to run anything. To say that everyone should enter a dungeon and know everything is the type of elitest way of thinking i am talking about. And that is what is rediculous. It annoys me that people bail so easily. Unless you build the pt yourself then don't expect everyone to know anything. In a df pt you get a mix of experienced and inexperienced players. Stick it out, you may even meet someone who learns quickly and is worth the time to run with.

[Muzy]

*snip*

So not true, in regards to tanks only bailing because the rest of the party was "bad", I have seen tanks bail on runs where everyone was geared fine and doing fine, but not overgeared and the tank tried to speed run it then when they couldn't do that just bailed. Or the party wasn't super overgeared and the tank just bails before the first pull 'cause they feel it's a waste of time doing dungeons with people less geared than that. Or the group is inexperienced, makes a mistake or two and then decides it's not worth the time to help them out when people did that for them when they were gearing up and learning the fights.

In regards to people knowing the fights/gearing up for the dungeons before hand... The dungeons drop gear that is supposed to be an upgrade to gear you already posses, and a fair amount of people can watch videos over and over and read strats until their eyes go square and still won't learn the fight until they do it.

[Runsell]

I bailed yesterday of coil T4 because I was lagging and couldn't keep aggro of mobs. But I always notify the group in a nice manner telling that I wont be of help to the group and I dont want to waste people time.

[Firefly]

To all of those arguing to "watch a video" of a fight to learn it; have you ever heard of immersion, spoilers, or cheating? Some people choose not to watch videos because they want to be surprised by their first experience in a game. Some think that knowing before-hand is plain and simple cheating. This isn't a board game with an instruction manual, this is a role-playing-game. The story line has you going into these scenarios blindly, so knowing everything before-hand breaks immersion. I'm not saying its wrong for people to watch videos, but I am saying it's fine that they don't. It is just as viable to learn by doing. People can look for patterns to react to and avoid. They can learn through failure. It's OK, people.

And to anyone who thinks bailing on learning players is cool, just remember you were new at this once, too. Even if you watched the video, you had to learn the fight and dungeon mechanics somehow.

[Bixby]

"No reason" is actually "a reason I disagree with." Or "a reason I don't actually know anything about, but I'll assume the worst and chalk it up as one I disagree with." Cynicism is a poison. What you assume when you have no actual information says far more about you than it does about the people about whom you're making assumptions.

Is a player who happens to be in a tanking role* at the time you encounter them bailing because they're frustrated and suffering an overdose of ego? Or is it because things went wrong and it's always the tank's fault and they're ashamed and embarrassed? Or because they've come to the end of a very bad day and just can't take another round? Or has RL provided a sudden and unexpected interruption?

I've done all of those. I've also bowed out with profuse apologies. I've also stuck it out through failure after failure. The person you encounter at any given time does not represent anyone other than themselves at that particular moment.

Bailing isn't a good thing. Doesn't matter what role you're in. But the only thing you have any real control over is how you react when it happens.

*Remember, not everyone is into their role of the moment to the same degree. Some are relatively new. Some are old and bitter. Some are just doing it for the queue.

[Lucavern]

Snip OP.

I'm sorry that you have such a self-centered view as to think that each and every one of your fellow players must bow to your desires. How dare us have unique personalities or real-life events that may cause us to either not want to engage in our entertainment source with specific other individuals, or may prompt us to depart in the midst of an event. I'm sorry that there are people who do not chose to surrender themselves to a random grouping of people whom they may have no prior contact with or may never see again.