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    The Effective Purchasing Power of Your Savings

    Yeah, I know, I'm kind of late to the party with all this but I couldn't post for 10 days and, well... yeah.

    Anyway... I'm just perplexed over one thing. When gil was redenominated, we were told that the reasons for doing so were because of arrow prices, more or less, because arrows would be removed from the game and that there would be no need for that extra digit so they sliced it off and lowered prices of everything to compensate (since arrows were about 2 gil each).

    Most players flipped out over it but we were ensured that it wouldn't affect us in any way, that we wouldn't even notice. But there's one quote that really sticks out for me...

    That said, this currency redenomination is primarily intended to reduce the excessively large values used in all transactions. We would like to reiterate that the effective purchasing power of your savings will not be reduced.
    No, that's not just me underlining the part that sticks out the most to me. That's exactly how it was posted. See for yourself:

    http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...e956cb586363ab

    What happened to this promise? Why do legacy players have to pay 3-10x more than other players for housing when we were specifically told that our purchasing power would remain the same? It was even underlined to add emphasis, not once but twice.

    And on top of that...

    to reduce the excessively large values used in all transactions
    625,000,000 gil is excessively large the last time I checked.

    Why are players that supported this game being punished for supporting SE when the rest of the world flaked and left the game and the company for dead? Did we forget all the "lol, SE's going bankrupt because of this failure of an MMO" comments three years ago?

    I'm not asking to be treated any different for having supported the game. No, I wish to be treated equally, regardless of how long I've supported the game for. Is that really too much to ask? I mean, I was basically told I would be, wasn't I? Yet I'm not.

    And, mods, please don't ban me for expressing my concerns and opinions. If this comes off as me attacking SE or something, I'm sorry. I'm not. I'm just really frustrated with this and would like an answer. And I think I have every right to be upset.

    we hope to provide you with an atmosphere that is more conducive to interaction—a place where everyone’s opinion is valued.
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...806-04-2012%29
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    Last edited by permbanned; 12-27-2013 at 03:34 AM. Reason: typo

  2. #2
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    I don't know where I heard this from, but...

    Legacy is a prison. You may enter but not leave, and you will be branded with the Legacy mark.

    Quite frankly I see no effect other than artificially magnifying values used in transactions by forcing Legacy server players to earn that much gil in the first place.
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    “There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    Legacy is a prison.
    This is how I feel. I'd gladly pay the normal sub fee if it meant I was treated equally, but not at the cost of losing all my progress. It's pretty messed up if you ask me.
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    There were many things they said that they completely went against their word on. Not much more to say about it anymore, but I've come to the point that if they say anything or hype something up I can no longer believe it until I actually experience it myself, because it's never how they say it'll be.
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    So far i dont trust them anymore, i wanted to sup for another 180 days but after what they did to legacy people, i didn't.
    lie after lie and many broken promises.
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    You help carry SE thru thick and thin. A swift hard kick to your berries is what you deserve.

    Ask and ye shall receive!

    They know exactly how to repay faithfulness!
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    If SE wanted ARR to be a progress reset I think they should have been honest and forthright about it with us all along. When they told us we were keeping our gear and money it was clearly intended as a motivator; something we could work on if we wished for the remainder of 1.0's service to get a head start going into ARR. However, that "head start" turned out to be mostly meaningless. Our 2% drop rate dungeon speedrun grindfest gear became virtually-handout starter endgame gear. Our multi-million gil (post-redenomination) melds were compensated with a handful of dungeon runs worth of tomes (without even any special compensation for what had been expensive melds vs. cheap melds). White ravens? Stat wipe. Limited time goobbue? Not so limited after all (I know it's not identical). Perhaps worst of all, the relic quest was also trivialized relative to its original incarnation.

    Most of those things we got over (some more easily than others) because seeing the game improve was more important. The housing fiasco put things over the top. I'm glad to hear that they intend to normalize prices over time, but it's pretty hard not to take it as a slap in the face. It seems clear from what Yoshi said that the real underlying issue is that they don't have the instance capacity to support Legacy worlds that have a larger number of people with a sizable gil balance, but in my opinion the answer to that is to fix the capacity issue (which is going to become an issue eventually anyway), not look at how much money people have and then move the goal posts to create artificial scarcity and delay the demand a while longer. Housing has been probably the #1 most-promoted feature in the run up to ARR and even post-launch. There's been ample time to get the capacity stuff figured out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by permbanned View Post
    What happened to this promise? Why do legacy players have to pay 3-10x more than other players for housing when we were specifically told that our purchasing power would remain the same? It was even underlined to add emphasis
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    625,000,000 gil is excessively large the last time I checked.
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    Not that I'm arguing, as that is certainly a large sum of money, but you do realize that they are planning to drastically cut the prices of land on Legacy Worlds so that they match the costs of non-legacy Worlds right?

    Granted this won't be happening until next year, they're not blind to the complaints on the forum.
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    Indira Cliodhna
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    SE endorses RMT i see bots still running around i see people buy stuff i know they cant afford being brand new. i get my share of rmt site.com /tell spam.

    after this billing period im not paying till maybe 2.2 if SE still against the players im finished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spellbinder View Post
    Not that I'm arguing, as that is certainly a large sum of money, but you do realize that they are planning to drastically cut the prices of land on Legacy Worlds so that they match the costs of non-legacy Worlds right?

    Granted this won't be happening until next year, they're not blind to the complaints on the forum.
    Its funny you say that. We're suppose to enjoy an update that happened a week ago in. . . . months from now? Mind you I'm not asking to get everything the second the update happens. I just want to be able to plan on getting it or helping my FC work for it. What they did just discourage us from caring at all.

    Today I went to Gridania housing section just to see if anybody has the balls to buy anything in there. . . . It was a nice zone by the way. It was just pathetic to see nothing in there. I'm from excalibur the cheapest large house was under 210mil and the medium houses was worth 80mil. That's pathetic.
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