Balmung is Homeless on Christmas' Eve. Is this really what you wanted, Yoshida-san?

[Peptaru]

He claimed to not remember any MMORPG having housing unobtainable on day 1 of implementation. I mentioned one example of such. <fair enough.

The point, which you seemed to miss, is that this wasn't something that the devs wanted obtainable within a day. Yoshida took a page from the old school designs .. add yet another item to the eternal whine list of "I have nothing to do".

I may raise a fuss if personal housing has the prices currently listed for FC Housing. As things stand I see the intent of the devs and simply shrug my shoulders.

FC Housing was touted as one the upcoming saving graces. It was going to be for all to enjoy, and brought energy back into the game. Day 1 attainment out.... but day 90 or more before even a majority has a crap house? The point you seem to be missing is that this is not even in line with what SE promoted. If the devs didn't want them attainable, they should have said so a very long time ago. That's as silly as people who think getting a house is hardcore; it is not.

Protip: Even people without houses, still say they have nothing to do, because they're not foolish enough to pay these prices. Rich people don't get rich by being stupid, and stupid people just use RMT.

[SoulKhan]

They really need to add personal player housing or allow us to decorate the Inn's we stay at because this is only for FC's that have many players helping out with funds to get a guild house but Yeah i would love for them to add player housing but at a lower cost ofc

[Duelle]

And Lineage is an extremely outdated anyway. It's not nearly within market standards.

You said:

I can't remember a single MMORPG in which an overwhelming percentages of guilds couldn't afford entry level housing upon implementation, and this is made even worse here by the fact that there's no other kind of housing for now.

I mentioned one example of such. Don't backpedal or attempt to wave off my comment, as the example I presented was well within the context of your statement.

Modern games don't have much to present as a frame of reference. WoW never had guild housing (hell, they're just getting personal housing almost 10 years since the game launched!). Rift just got personal housing. Wildstar will have personal housing with guild forts (details of which have not been released as far as acquisition goes). SWTOR doesn't have real personal housing, as your ship is basically a hub to store your companion NPCs and little else.

FC Housing was touted as one the upcoming saving graces. It was going to be for all to enjoy, and brought energy back into the game.

My expectations changed when the plug changed from "housing" to "FC housing". As I've said, I kind of know how far that can be taken as far as obtainability goes.

Even people without houses, still say they have nothing to do

That was me taking potshots at those who whined about the game having no longevity during beta and on the 1.0 forums. As I've mentioned, I look at it as the devs intending it to take a while to obtain, which on a guild level makes sense. You could subscribe to the other conspiracy theory (the prices are a stalling tactic), but I don't see what good that would do.

That aside, would it have been better to implement everything (player and FC housing) at once? Definitely, as the market for furniture would move steadily seeing that demand would exist for both FC housing and player housing. That ship has already sailed, sadly.

Yes, housing is nice and I look forward to someday owning a small plot in Ishgard amidst the falling snow and the ocassional dragon attack, but knowing that FC housing has been implemented with the insane prices and the fact player housing is not in the game yet simply means we have to wait and see. I promise you that I'll be the one distributing torches and pitchforks if personal housing is prices anything like FC housing.

[indira]

SE always releases half a$$ features they need to either leave it in work or release it where it can be called finished then later add stuff.
PVP been in work for a while yet still seem to be in alpha or maybe beta.

[Alhanelem]

I wouldn't place my hopes or trust in that. They said the same thing about FC housing - that it would be affordable with only 3-5 players pooling their 1-50 gil on one job.

We don't actually know that was FC housing they were talking about. They did say in the talk about pricing that personal housing would be much cheaper than FC housing.

- Food does not sell like it did before
- Crafting Mats do not sell like they did before
- Crafted Gear does not sell like it did before

Food sells less fast but prices higher. This is because food isn't lost when you die anymore. More people are actually using food.

The materia market took a bit of a hit initially but it's already bouncing back, because those rewards were one time rewards. Personally I used mine rather than sold them.

There is new crafted gear to sell (for PvP) which I made a lot of money on. the lv70 stuff is cheaper but its also easier to produce and still wanted, so it is still profitable. Furniture market will develop over time as the housing market does.

[Cid_Grim]

Everyone saved all their Gil, preparing to buy a house upon release, not realizing that the prices were going to be determined by how much Gil the server had upon release.

We did this to ourselves. Good luck getting the prices changed.

[Abriael]

You said:
I mentioned one example of such. Don't backpedal or attempt to wave off my comment, as the example I presented was well within the context of your statement.

"I can't remember" and "Don't exist" are two extremely different statements. Your comment has been waved off because it doesn't really counter my statement in any way, and presenting bad, outdated design as an example doesn't really change the fact that the current FC housing prices are detrimental under every possible level, especially when followed by strawman arguments or simply false statements like "add yet another item to the eternal whine list of "I have nothing to do"."

[TrystWildkey]

EDIT: you know what, I'm done. I'm tired of people coming in here to argue technicalities and try to twist our words or cloud the issue. Here is what the problems are:

1 - pricing is different on different worlds, even though ALL worlds have players that started fresh at 2.0, and ALL worlds have the same gil rewards from quests etc.
2 - pricing on the 2 server groups that include Balmung and Durandal are PROHIBITIVE and borderline PUNITIVE

If you're on a cheap server and want to say that prices are fair, I will again issue the challenge I issued yesterday. I will mail you an Ultimate Game Card so you can add Crysta to your account. Transfer to my server and THEN tell me prices are fair.

If you're coming in to these threads with the specific intent to take single statements from our arguments and twist them or nitpick them, there's no point. It doesn't change the facts and doesn't change that this situation is exceedingly unfair. You're also not going to make us look bad, because anyone who objectively looks at the pricing can SEE that it's a problem that needs to be addressed, and SHOULD be addressed sooner rather than later.

[Abriael]

Yes, we do know that. It was quoted and re-quoted in previous housing threads.

And it's still irrelevant, because personal housing will come in a quite long time.

[Alhanelem]

2 - pricing on the 2 server groups that include Balmung and Durandal are PROHIBITIVE and borderline PUNITIVE

They are already planning to address your points. yelling about it may hasten the chances, possibly. But I'm not about to raise hell about something they've already promised to correct.

It doesn't change the facts and doesn't change that this situation is exceedingly unfair.

See above. they. are. already. working. to. address. the. issue.

3 month timer in a game is fail no matter what people say and price only goes down 50%. if you have to stop playing for a period of time you lose everything also failed.

They're actually reducing the prices a lot more than that. First, it doesn't cap at 50%, even in the example they gave it was already lower than 50%.

Second, legacy server prices will be dropped in increments to match the nonlegacy prices, which is a drastic decrease. They also said further adjustments will also be made if still necessary.