30 min penalty is too much!

[geekgirl101]

I left a party because the dps kept ninjaring chain winches whilst I was tanking other mobs and left us in a situation where if I attempted to pull it would wipe us because all the mobs were ranged and close by another group of mobs within aggro range. I decided it best to leave because I was tiring of struggling for aggro all the time since the dps were either pulling before I did or attacking unmarked targets, and I had a 30 min penalty?

If I had already left a party previously and then left another party right away then fine, a 30 min penalty would be a great way to deter people from rage dumping parties, but 30 min penalty for leaving for the first time? 30 mins is too much!

Thanks SE, you're penalizing legit people yet again by overdoing stuff as a deterrent, only you're deterring me from ever wanting to do dungeons ever again if I have to eat a 30 min debuff because I'd have to vote kick half the party otherwise!

Not happy at all with this change.

[Sunoske]

I know how you feel, I was tanking Hard mode Haukke Mannor the other day, and had both deeps pulling mobs before I could even finish marking them, When I asked them to stop they started a vote kick on me. So I just left. Honestly 30 min isn't too long, but if I feel like not waiting 30 min :/ Well, looks like it's time to not play ff until I feel I can wait to do something like properly run a dungeon without struggling to take hate from +1 deeps, when I'm not +1 myself.

[Brises]

I know how you feel, I was tanking Hard mode Haukke Mannor the other day, and had both deeps pulling mobs before I could even finish marking them, When I asked them to stop they started a vote kick on me. So I just left. Honestly 30 min isn't too long, but if I feel like not waiting 30 min :/ Well, looks like it's time to not play ff until I feel I can wait to do something like properly run a dungeon without struggling to take hate from +1 deeps, when I'm not +1 myself.

If they wanted to vote kick, why not just let them? That way you don't get the penalty. And if you don't like the party you are with, why not just ask for a vote kick. As soon as one person is kicked, the rest can also leave with no penalty. If a party is that bad, Say "Sorry guys, it's not working. Someone please kick."

[geekgirl101]

Again another issue was with Haukke Manor Hard Mode, the recommended item level for entry means undergeared people get into the battle and it's not enough. If they can't push the dps needed for the first boss then it's a no-go. The only thing to do (until SE adjusts the recommended item level for entry to something that makes more sense) is to abandon the duty or wait out being kicked out. Nobody wants to leave first because of the 30 min debuff, but at this point there is no other choice, the party has to end one way or another because we cannot go any further and one of us will be penalized for making the first move.

I'm really being put off this game because of this penalty, it's not hurting those who just leave after the first wipe because they don't care or are just bad players looking to have their hand held through the fight, it's hurting the people who have no other choice but to leave because their current setup isn't going to work.

I'm asking SE to do one of two things please to stop hurting people who aren't rage-quitters but have no other option but to leave/disband group without facing a heavy penalty:

1) Reduce the waiting time to reenter a dungeon back to 15 mins and increment the waiting time by another 15 mins each time the player drops out of a party first within the same hour.

or

2) Add a vote to disband option which requires all members within the party to agree on so the party is disbanded without any reentry penalty should the whole party decide that there is no point in continuing (lack of suitable gear or not enough time to defeat the last boss etc.)

[WhiteDragon]

2) Add a vote to disband option which requires all members within the party to agree on so the party is disbanded without any reentry penalty should the whole party decide that there is no point in continuing (lack of suitable gear or not enough time to defeat the last boss etc.)

You whine a lot without even keeping up with what the producer says. He already said they were going to add a vote disband.


It's a 30 minute wait from just leaving to discourage people who go "OH MAN LOOK AT THAT GUY WITH ONE BAD ITEM, GOTA KICK HIM" instaed of wanting to quit everytime you wipe, try being better at the game and explaining the fight to your allies and what they need to imrpove on.

[Tazila]

You whine a lot without even keeping up with what the producer says. He already said they were going to add a vote disband.


It's a 30 minute wait from just leaving to discourage people who go "OH MAN LOOK AT THAT GUY WITH ONE BAD ITEM, GOTA KICK HIM" instaed of wanting to quit everytime you wipe, try being better at the game and explaining the fight to your allies and what they need to imrpove on.

This 100%.

When the game came out, if you que'd up for Ifrit HM and the group didn't have a BLM, people would instaleave, or check gear and they want to remove you because your gear isn't good enough.

Also I was pretty sure if you dc'd for too long in a dungeon, it would auto remove you after I think 10 minutes or so and replace with someone else. That was a fix from when there was no vote kick option and there was no autologout from AFK/dcing, back in the 3200 error or what ever the number was.

I don't mind it. I think it's pretty fair.

[winkf1ma]

2) Add a vote to disband option which requires all members within the party to agree on so the party is disbanded without any reentry penalty should the whole party decide that there is no point in continuing (lack of suitable gear or not enough time to defeat the last boss etc.)

I think it's funny. You posted a great idea and everyone missed it. Too busy talking about what they think. Now that we have a vote to abandon now, someone must have listened.

[Lordfurious]

30 minutes is just right. If you choose to leave 30 minutes goes by pretty quickly. If your group is horrible do like I do. I politely tell the group that I do not think that we will make it, and please remove me from group. This works 99% of the time. What is too long is the vote kick 4 hours. 1st dungeon of the day disconnected for 2 minutes we removed that player. Next dungeon same thing happens......guess what cant remove a disconnected player for 4 hours so we 3 man it the rest of the way. Square Enix get your shit fixed please do not turn into a shit broken game like wow.

[geekgirl101]

30 minutes is just right. If you choose to leave 30 minutes goes by pretty quickly. If your group is horrible do like I do. I politely tell the group that I do not think that we will make it, and please remove me from group. This works 99% of the time. What is too long is the vote kick 4 hours. 1st dungeon of the day disconnected for 2 minutes we removed that player. Next dungeon same thing happens......guess what cant remove a disconnected player for 4 hours so we 3 man it the rest of the way. Square Enix get your shit fixed please do not turn into a shit broken game like wow.

HOLY.... 4 hours? Are SE insane?!!!!

[Quenn]

Shouldn't it be the other way around and people who are kicked from a party get a penalty? There's usually a good reason they are kicked.