I hate the SP system

[Kiroh]

You are soloing mobs at r43. That is your problem.

Not according to Wada, he was pretty clear from the get go that XIV was meant to be less party intensive than it's predecessor and allow for easier solo adventuring.

[Nuru]

Not according to Wada, he was pretty clear from the get go that XIV was meant to be less party intensive than it's predecessor and allow for easier solo adventuring.

I understand that, but the complaint here is more about how much SP is being received. Its still a solo'able game, but Party play is influenced, not intensive. Thats all there is to it. No way anyone should be gaining as much as a party, the game would be so dead if that were the case.

[Kiroh]

I understand that, but the complaint here is more about how much SP is being received. Its still a solo'able game, but Party play is influenced, not intensive. Thats all there is to it. No way anyone should be gaining as much as a party, the game would be so dead if that were the case.

Except that parties aren't really getting anything from partying. They're not getting a bonus, they're not getting exp chains, they're just killing higher ranked monsters. It's not a bonus for parties or even a penalty to soloers, like everything in this game it's all about level difference. No skill, no stats, only rank vs rank. Party isn't 'influenced' at all except that you have more people to throw at the high ranking monsters and a few more hp/mp.

[Xatsh]

Except that parties aren't really getting anything from partying. They're not getting a bonus, they're not getting exp chains, they're just killing higher ranked monsters. It's not a bonus for parties or even a penalty to soloers, like everything in this game it's all about level difference. No skill, no stats, only rank vs rank. Party isn't 'influenced' at all except that you have more people to throw at the high ranking monsters and a few more hp/mp.

You are very wrong here.

If they where not getting a bonus SP would be split between everyone.

1 Person: 100% sp
2 People: 50% each
3 People: 33% each
8 people: 12.5% each

But that is not the case in fact the bonuses per kill when in a party are huge. (sp values are based off a soloers sp)
1 Person: 100% sp
2 People: 100% sp (yea as long as no level difference it is still 100%) so 50% sp bonus per kill bonus over a direct split
3 People: 90% sp each (171% sp bonus per kill bonus over a direct split)
8 people: 65% sp each (700% sp bonus per kill bonus over a direct split)

This is why people in groups even not at a 100% sp per kill like solo, they can pull in 200-300% the sp a solo person can. The increase in kill speed far exceeds the drop in sp/kill. [this is not even taking into leve bonus... leve bonus speed can exceed 1000% a soloers sp/hr]

the harder mobs have SP bonus built into them, harder mobs = more sp this is actually a trend throughout ff games.

[Mack]

Not according to Wada, he was pretty clear from the get go that XIV was meant to be less party intensive than it's predecessor and allow for easier solo adventuring.

It does allow for easier solo adventuring considering TC is soloing a mob 15 ranks above his level...but party SP should always be better. And they should give them a party bonus similar to xp chains from XI.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I was out solo'ing R54+ mobs as an R43 PUG, and I only get about 100-150 sp per mob. This is not Final Fantasy. In Final Fantasy, you kill a certain mob and they give you a certain static amount of XP, AP, SP, whatever.

Yes this is (well supposed to be) a Final Fantasy game, but first and formost this is a MMORPG, and in MMORPGs EXP is based off level not mob.

[Neptune]

Maybe there shouldn't be grinding at all.

[Felis]

I was out solo'ing R54+ mobs as an R43 PUG, and I only get about 100-150 sp per mob.

Then you didn't killed sphene doblyns (R56-59).

Maybe there shouldn't be grinding at all.

In the old days, we didn't say grinding, but leveling.
Killing mobs to level your char is a core feature for a rpg.

[viion]

Maybe there shouldn't be grinding at all.

You got your wish, since you dont need to grind for the new job system, you're given it! (as far as i know from that thingymabob last month)

[Rentahamster]

I was out solo'ing R54+ mobs as an R43 PUG, and I only get about 100-150 sp per mob. This is not Final Fantasy. In Final Fantasy, you kill a certain mob and they give you a certain static amount of XP, AP, SP, whatever.

Read this. What do you think?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-How-to-Fix-it