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  1. #21
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    NeonC's Avatar
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    Neon Sea
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    280+ on twin, wow that IS high. I'm just wondering because I usually parse high or highest in random groups where our gear is all over the place but still doesn't seem as high as I want it to be. In Titan EM I parsed 200-220, in Garuda EM 190 was my absolute highest. I was with a lesser geared BLM and he beat me by 30+ dps in Garuda as well. I know that songs and aoe might have played a role but still. I have not done Twin yet so I can not comment on that sadly.
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  2. #22
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    Lunairetic Emx
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    Midgardsormr
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    Humm, Garuda has some variables. Sometimes a BLM can get a good AOE cycle on plumes, sometimes not. Also, comparing different fights isn't very effective. Everyone's total encounter DPS on X Garuda is low due to the raw quantity of phase transitions and other downtime. Titan is more stable, although Gaols will still RNG impact your DPS.

    A pure DPS check like Atomos, T2 ADS enrage, or Caduceus is more useful for measuring potential DPS. A fight with consistent mechanics like T2 ADS normal or T1 ADS is good to assess DPS ... with mechanics in a normal fight (e.g. forcing the BLM to move). HM Titan is also good for this. X Titan ... meh, too much Gaol RNG all over the place.
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  3. #23
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    Pika Chu
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeonC View Post
    280+ on twin, wow that IS high. I'm just wondering because I usually parse high or highest in random groups where our gear is all over the place but still doesn't seem as high as I want it to be. In Titan EM I parsed 200-220, in Garuda EM 190 was my absolute highest. I was with a lesser geared BLM and he beat me by 30+ dps in Garuda as well. I know that songs and aoe might have played a role but still. I have not done Twin yet so I can not comment on that sadly.
    If you spam aoe in p1 and p3 then 280 is easy, but its not optimal. aoe is never optimal unless its 4 mobs. but if u want to pad numbers, flare transpose on the snakes and drakes is an easy way to do it and make urself "look better" while actually taking longer.
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  4. #24
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    Philia Felice
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    Update: closer to 330 - 340 on average now by respeccing to 251 Piety (1 Piety + 29 INT) with SCH in party, and using the standard rotation of Thunder III > Fire spam > Swiftcast Flare > Convert > Fire > Blizzard III > Thunder II > (Fire III > Fire spam > Blizzard III > Thunder II + wait a split second or Blizzard I if far from tick) X N with GCDs added. I think have 251 Piety is more important than ever in 2.1 with the mana ticks so important, so maximizing our UI3 phase is is where we're made or broken.
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  5. #25
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    Mero Mero
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    Sargatanas
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    just stick with thunder II and wait half of a second then cast fire 3. It may seem that you are slowed down because you wait but in reality, it's the best way to deal with the new mp tick.
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    Setis Dagre
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umero View Post
    just stick with thunder II and wait half of a second then cast fire 3. It may seem that you are slowed down because you wait but in reality, it's the best way to deal with the new mp tick.
    If you're waiting half a second anyway why not just use Thunder III?
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setis_Dagre View Post
    If you're waiting half a second anyway why not just use Thunder III?
    Most Piety amounts, especially for those in full i90 like many of us by now, won't allow Thunder III after we're done with our Fires and Blizzard III, and it's most certainly a DPS loss to skip a Fire in lieu of Thunder III enabling.
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  8. #28
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    Hito Yu
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setis_Dagre View Post
    If you're waiting half a second anyway why not just use Thunder III?
    No need to wait at all.

    If MP regenerates instantly upon entering umbral phase, you use normal rotation.

    If MP doesn't regenerate instantly, you stick a filler spell in there (like scathe or blizzard 2) and continue like normal.
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  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstarz View Post
    If you spam aoe in p1 and p3 then 280 is easy, but its not optimal. aoe is never optimal unless its 4 mobs. but if u want to pad numbers, flare transpose on the snakes and drakes is an easy way to do it and make urself "look better" while actually taking longer.
    I don't think you understand numbers very well. If you can do more total damage in less time by AOEing (and this has been proven with our sustained aoe rotation on even 2 mobs), it's going to take less time to kill them all collectively- although they will each be up for a longer period individually. But saying it only serves to "pad your numbers while actually taking longer" is just untrue. It will take less time.
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    Last edited by Halloween; 12-29-2013 at 12:54 AM.

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    Fenrenn Alexander
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    Sargatanas
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    also, you might want to watch out about openly talking about "parsing." DPS counting isn't against the rules but there's something violation with a parser that's in the terms of service or some stuff. I think it's because a parser has to read the game or something. All in all, I'd watch out with that word; had a buddy get suspended.
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