Job System Timeframe

[Physic]

yes i have actually ran my own business before. i never said they shouldn't pay attention to cost. i stated profit and loss. in other words if it will cost more to fix the game than the anticipated profit off of it they should shut it down. if the anticipated profits are above the level all companies set upon originally starting a project then they should fix it.

i can promise you there is more profit to do things right the first time than what they have been doing so far. if they want to go by what things have cost they should fire the entire team including yoshi and shut the entire game down. they spent money anticipating making profits in the long run.

i'm not going to spend 10$ to buy something if i can only get paid 8$ for it.
i will spend that same 10$ if i feel i can make 20$.

big business and small business have different business models. Big business generally believes in operating at a loss for a longer period, to profit later. In fact they often do this even when uneccessary, due probably to taxes, and expectations.

In any event, i wouldnt look at the cost analysis too much, we dont even know what they mean when they say that, it could be cost in terms of time, amount of resources, man hours, or it could just be a BS line they tell people while they sit around.

regardless at the end of the day, they need to be faster than they have been, i really hope that this battle system was some insane task that required years because if this is their pace, they will never compete. They will be completely eclipsed by newer games in terms of content at this pace. I guarantee that guild wars 2 and swtor will drop with a load of content, at this pace this game will not even have completed their first story arc by the time these games come out.

[Betelgeuzah]

regardless at the end of the day, they need to be faster than they have been, i really hope that this battle system was some insane task that required years because if this is their pace, they will never compete. They will be completely eclipsed by newer games in terms of content at this pace. I guarantee that guild wars 2 and swtor will drop with a load of content, at this pace this game will not even have completed their first story arc by the time these games come out.

You don't know what their pace is. Just like you don't know what the GW2 team's pace is.

All you know is what's in front of you. Which means nothing. That said, ArenaNet is not going by any pace at all because you are not playing the game. This makes no sense, yet that is what this is all about. Only the unreleased game can get away with it.

Although the comical thing about this is, that if SE took the servers offline for a year and worked on the game in secrecy, few people would have an issue with it. Since that's what companies tend to do anyway.

[Azurus]

You don't know what their pace is. Just like you don't know what the GW2 team's pace is.

All you know is what's in front of you. Which means nothing. That said, ArenaNet is not going by any pace at all because you are not playing the game. This makes no sense, yet that is what this is all about. Only the unreleased game can get away with it.

Although the comical thing about this is, that if SE took the servers offline for a year and worked on the game in secrecy, few people would have an issue with it. Since that's what companies tend to do anyway.

actually we have seen more demos and videos from the devs of those two games then we ever have from SE, and their game is actually released. Those 2 games are filled with all sorts of content they have been showing off for a while now. So technically the information is right in front of us. This has nothing to do with pace in the long run though, it has more to do with the decision makers in the companies. Arena net and whatnot said straight up the game will be done when its done. And that is great. SE makes bad decisions and ends up shipping out a game that is a mere shadow of what it should have been according to early dev videos. The best pace is a pace that isnt teathered to a specific release date. Say it is done when it is done and you have all the time in the world.

[Betelgeuzah]

. Arena net and whatnot said straight up the game will be done when its done. And that is great. SE makes bad decisions and ends up shipping out a game that is a mere shadow of what it should have been according to early dev videos. The best pace is a pace that isnt teathered to a specific release date. Say it is done when it is done and you have all the time in the world.

So basically SE shouldn't set dates like "mid-June" at all and just say "it's done when it's done"? I don't agree.

Although they have been doing just that for the past half a year. They won't release their major overhauls before they're done, and the community criticizes them for it. They can't win. I wouldn't be surprised if you have done the exact same thing too. Which would be hypocritic, so I hope not.

AOC is a bigger game and that got fixed with a less experence dev team in a fraction of the time square needs.

That game wasn't even half as broken as XIV is, and their "fixes" were laughable in scope compared to what SE is attempting to do. So, about right.

[Azurus]

So basically SE shouldn't set dates like "mid-June" at all and just say "it's done when it's done"? I don't agree.

Although they have been doing just that for the past half a year. They won't release their major overhauls before they're done, and the community criticizes them for it. They can't win. I wouldn't be surprised if you have done the exact same thing too. Which would be hypocritic, so I hope not.

dude they released their entire game before it was done so stop kidding yourself. And no i'm no hypocrit, i was one of the people who during beta was saying god they need to extend this no way this should go out. It went out anyway so i thought maybe they had a huge patch for release. After that it has been deadline after deadline that has been met late, so yes the community will be rather turned off by that. All i'm saying is they should stop trying to put a deadline on everything. They should have did this before release but hey they put themselves in this predicament. They would win by doing simple things like saying hey all these things will be done by the end of summer and not even putting a mid june release date on 1.18, then when it comes out in june people can be like wow changes are already rolling out! However SE puts dates in peoples minds and this causes outrage when the date comes and goes and nothing happens.

[Betelgeuzah]

. All i'm saying is they should stop trying to put a deadline on everything. They should have did this before release but hey they put themselves in this predicament. They would win by doing simple things like saying hey all these things will be done by the end of summer and not even putting a mid june release date on 1.18, then when it comes out in june people can be like wow changes are already rolling out! However SE puts dates in peoples minds and this causes outrage when the date comes and goes and nothing happens.

Lol, maybe that's a "win" for you but I'd be pissed to know that patches that have come monthly so far are put in the trash bin and instead we get vague dates like "Summer '11" for the future patches.

And frankly i need to ask who exactly would think that patches didn't start coming in mid-June if a "Summer '11" date was given? We'd simply expect a patch week after week and without no solid date to go on, we would be enraged by now. Especially since the patches were coming monthly not so long ago.

We already went through half a year of development behind the scenes with no timeframe as for when the overhauls are coming, as per normal when a game is in development. Now it's like ArenaNet announcing the official beta testing dates. They may be slightly off too, but is that a reason not to announce them? I don't think so.

Either way, you are naive if you think people won't start expecting patches the week Summer begins and become more and more frustrated when nothing happens week after week. Give them a slightly vague date like mid-June and they'll at least wait until mid-June before becoming frustrated.