Fall back and regroup: time for crafting autoleveller?

[Radaghast]

Wtf is a memory controller, the turbo button on the gamepad?

[Wynn]

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Peregrine, you have no way to prove anyone is botting via this method. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, though I question how widespread you would have us believe it is, and you certainly have no idea who is or isn't doing it. You have absolutely no way to know that. If they are at their computer, all you have is your belief they are using this memory controller. That's it. No facts. No proof. Nothing. Are you really going to tell me that your belief is based on something so simple as they are sitting in one place crafting for hours?

Also, consider this. If they are physically present at that computer the entire time they are doing this, their leveling is going no faster than it would if they were pushing that button themselves. Now, do not misconstrue this statement to mean I am defending anyone who does this. I'm not. But let's be realistic here. Either they are going to be stepping away to get an unfair advantage, and that time away is enough to get caught should people actually report this behavior in the correct manner for investigation, or they aren't leaving at all and are leveling no faster than anyone else who sits in front of their computer for the same period of time legitimately pressing buttons.

[Peregrine]

Peregrine, you have no way to prove anyone is botting via this method. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, though I question how widespread you would have us believe it is, and you certainly have no idea who is or isn't doing it. You have absolutely no way to know that. If they are at their computer, all you have is your belief they are using this memory controller. That's it. No facts. No proof. Nothing. Are you really going to tell me that your belief is based on something so simple as they are sitting in one place crafting for hours?

Also, consider this. If they are physically present at that computer the entire time they are doing this, their leveling is going no faster than it would if they were pushing that button themselves. Now, do not misconstrue this statement to mean I am defending anyone who does this. I'm not. But let's be realistic here. Either they are going to be stepping away to get an unfair advantage, and that time away is enough to get caught should people actually report this behavior in the correct manner for investigation, or they aren't leaving at all and are leveling no faster than anyone else who sits in front of their computer for the same period of time legitimately pressing buttons.

You all and your self-righteous defense mechanisms.
Of course I can prove you're a memory controller. That phase of entering enough times to guarantee your success is what gives you away. It makes you look like you have no clue what you're doing after certain synths that finish before your controller expects to.

You all fail to understand that everything you do or don't do as a human is forseeable and accountable, AND that everything an automated process does to try to approximate that behavior is imperfect at it and therefore also forseeable and accountable.

All this WOE IS ME WHAT CAN BE DONE??? AHHHH AHHHHH....

Simple, really. You can do a lot if you just stop being so helpless.

A human who starts a race faster than humans can react to a gun is disqualified, even if they started the race after the gun went off. This is because human actions are forseeable and accountable. It is you who argues BUT HOW CAN YOU TELLLLLLL...well quite easily. Just think about it methodically. If your reaction time is quicker than the neural process to hear a gunshot and then apply pressure to your feet, you didn't react at all. You false started.

How do you know the reaction time of a human? Simple. You test humans.

Humans do things no automations do. Automations do things no humans do. Even if an automation tries to randomize its actions, it randomizes it in such a way that no human would. And all these things are mathematically quantifiable.

It's just all voodoo and mystery to many of you because it's overwhelming to think about.

Orrrrr you don't want anyone to think about it maybe.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I recall the crafting excitement I had at launch. And what it turned into for me when I no longer factored into the server's economy.

I thank FFXIV for turning over to Netflix. Crafting became the time to watch Netflix. I setup my computer near the TV just to achieve this. And sometimes crafting distracted me from watching. Then crafting altered where we could chat better during the synth. But it was too late! I'm now a Netflix addict

[Additional comments withheld due to their capability of inducing unsexy cookie eating marathons. And the cookies aren't even tasty.]

[Catapult]

So Peregrine, if SE turned around and banned all the cheaters, would you be surprised if you got banned along with them?

You're publicly advocating cheating, after all.

[origamikitsune]

What I would like to see is improvements to the existing system, because I don't think a wipe and rework of the fundamentals will be any better significant improvements to what we have. There is lots that can be done to improve the crafting system in multiple ways.

One example:
Lets assume that you have a craft that requires 1 Buffalo strap, One Buffalo Leather, one Iron Plate and one... Lets say Cotton yarn.

Normally, starting at the bottom, you would need buff hides, formic acid, iron ore, and cotton bolls to get it all done, and you would end up with left over parts (extra straps, extra nuggets, extra yarn, etc.). No big deal. So add a feature that lets you go straight from base mats to finish product, at the expense of all those extra mats you would make in between.

Now, I just came up with that on the fly; I haven't given any thought to whether or not it would ultimately be feasible or hurt the economy more than it would help. But I'm using it to illustrate that you can in fact make changes to the existing system that cut down on time, inventory, and (some) of the surplus by not creating it in the first place, and still implement changes that fundamentally alter the way the game is played without totally scrapping what we have.

It seems that SE has finally admitted that crafters/gatherers are in fact just there to support the fighters (read the QAs if you haven't yet). That being the case, I still suspect that they will (eventually) give crafting/gathering an overhaul. I don't expect a fundamental rewrite of the system; but I do expect we will see many ways in which crafting is streamlined.

[Bigglesworth]

this is just a bad idea. what MMO doesn't have an action however simple or complex it may be to level up a rank/skill/gear etc. what is what MMO's are, you start at some sort of beginning point and you progress. Kinda sounds like you are bored with the game, and you have valid reasons to be, but installing a mindless SP gaining system is not the answer.

[Peregrine]

this is just a bad idea. what MMO doesn't have an action however simple or complex it may be to level up a rank/skill/gear etc. what is what MMO's are, you start at some sort of beginning point and you progress. Kinda sounds like you are bored with the game, and you have valid reasons to be, but installing a mindless SP gaining system is not the answer.

Might want to go play another MMO. Several have this system. It doesn't even theoretically make progression faster. It shunts a lot of the time it takes to craft to gathering materials, like in FFXI.

Which is a superior system to this, because gathering materials is funner than spamming enter on crafting. I'd rather gather mats, then blow by crafting levels with them. Much better sense of accomplishment, even if it took me forever to afford those mats.

FFXI's system is just better than this one's. Here, materials are worthless, but the crafting grind is automated mindless. There, materials are king, and you can blow by crafting levels.

Automation is superior to this system. It keeps mindless players and cheaters from dominating. It's more entertaining. It actually makes crafting progression more rewarding as you can see BANG BANG BANG all that hard work is acutely paying off.

This system is better.

[Bigglesworth]

Might want to go play another MMO. Several have this system. It doesn't even theoretically make progression faster. It shunts a lot of the time it takes to craft to gathering materials, like in FFXI.

Which is a superior system to this, because gathering materials is funner than spamming enter on crafting. I'd rather gather mats, then blow by crafting levels with them. Much better sense of accomplishment, even if it took me forever to afford those mats.

FFXI's system is just better than this one's. Here, materials are worthless, but the crafting grind is automated mindless. There, materials are king, and you can blow by crafting levels.

Automation is superior to this system. It keeps mindless players and cheaters from dominating. It's more entertaining. It actually makes crafting progression more rewarding as you can see BANG BANG BANG all that hard work is acutely paying off.

This system is better.

I like FFXI's system as well, but that is not what the OP has suggested. Making the crafting instantaneous is fine, but queuing up multiple crafts into one and just let a timer run out and poof you have your SP is just stupid. If they do that then FFXIV just turned into a glorified facebook game. And no, I don't need a new MMO, I actually like the system the way it is. I just disagree with the OP