Monk BiS! Please help!

[Scintillation]

I'd like to know the best in slot gear for the monk as of 2.1. There are so many options, and idk how important things like accuracy cap and such are; therefore, a calculator for this thing isn't helpful to me. Thus, I am asking you all to explain to me what it is I should be getting for gear. I am totally lost at the moment.

[Zeronic]

I use this spreadsheet but it might be outdated. I could help you on your way though https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...der=true&gid=4

[Donjo]

First of all, the above spreadsheet is slightly outdated, as it hasn't taken into account the stat changes for some iLvl 90 gear that 2.1 brought. This does affect Monk, as two of their options are suddenly far better contenders for BiS.

Here's my opinion on a good candidate for a Monk's BiS set. This is assuming the priority of Determination > Crit Rate > Skill Speed

Weapon: Allagan Baghnakhs(As these are iLvl 95 now, they are indisputable BiS)
Head: Allagan Visor of Striking
Body: Melee Cyclas
Gloves: Melee Gloves
Legs: Melee Gaskins
Boots: Allagan Sollerets of Striking(Change in stats in 2.1 makes them no longer equal to Melee Boots)
Neck: Hero's Necklace of Slaying
Waist: Allagan Tassets of Striking
Ear: Allagan Earrings of Maiming
Wrist: Hero's Bracelet of Striking
Ring 1: Allagan Ring of Striking
Ring 2: Allagan Ring of Maiming

This gives the following totals:
Accuracy: 133
Crit Rate: 86
Determination: 127
Skill Speed: 54

[TempestZane]

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How would your BiS set be with the weapon from extreme primals? I'm rerolling my main to monk (from blm) and on our server nobody killed Twintania yet, so trying to see if i can get a smooth transaction gearing up towards a BiS set (probaply from hellish claws into twintania weapon)

Thanks!

edit: P.s) did you take into account the new jewelry from extreme primals too?

[Gamemako]

First of all, the above spreadsheet is slightly outdated, as it hasn't taken into account the stat changes for some iLvl 90 gear that 2.1 brought. This does affect Monk, as two of their options are suddenly far better contenders for BiS.

Considering that MNK gets about 18% more out of skill speed and somewhere around 20% less out of crit, why would you prioritize crit over skill speed? Autocrits and crit bonuses hamper the value of crit and Greased Lightning is a flat reduction, so it's pretty hard to see how crit could ever come out on top.

[Oblit]

Considering that MNK gets about 18% more out of skill speed and somewhere around 20% less out of crit, why would you prioritize crit over skill speed? Autocrits and crit bonuses hamper the value of crit and Greased Lightning is a flat reduction, so it's pretty hard to see how crit could ever come out on top.

Skill speed doesn't affect Auto-attacks and DOTs which is a big chunk of MNK's DPS, while Determination and Critical hit rate do. With too much skill speed, you will find yourself TP starved in longer uninterrupted fights.

[Gamemako]

Skill speed doesn't affect Auto-attacks and DOTs which is a big chunk of MNK's DPS

Oh? It does not affect autoattack rate? Do you have the data on that?

[Houston009]

My proposed BiS for Monk is as followed:

Main Hand: Allagan Baghnakhs
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Head: Allagan Visor of Striking
Body: Allagan Cuirass of Striking
Hands: Allagan Gauntlets of Striking
Waist: Allagan Tassets of Striking
Legs: Melee Gaskins
Feet: Allagan Sollerets of Striking
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Ear: Allagan Earrings of Maiming
Neck: Allagan Choker of Maiming
Wrist: Hero's Bracelet of Slaying
Ring1: Allagan Ring of Striking
Ring2: Allagan Ring of Maiming

Acc: 469
Crit: 477
Det: 325
Sk Sp: 356

I've never missed anything at all with this set so accuracy is fine. This set prioritizes Determination > Crit Rate > Skill Speed(useless)

[Donjo]

How would your BiS set be with the weapon from extreme primals? I'm rerolling my main to monk (from blm) and on our server nobody killed Twintania yet, so trying to see if i can get a smooth transaction gearing up towards a BiS set (probaply from hellish claws into twintania weapon)

Thanks!

edit: P.s) did you take into account the new jewelry from extreme primals too?

The Primal jewelry has been taken into account. I consider them to be alternates to any Accessory slot that has Allagan, as ease of acquisition goes Myth -> Primal -> Allagan. My proposed set with the Hellish Claws would have more Accuracy, so some Accuracy centric gear can be replaced. The Chest could be switched to Allagan for more Crit and the Tremor Earrings of Striking can be taken in place of the Allagan Earrings of Maiming for more Crit and Det. The result would be that 45 Crit Rate is added, 10 Determination is added, and 24 Skill Speed is lost. Personally, I'd keep the Chest as Melee so that Skill Speed isn't fatally shafted. We should be equal opportunity players, you know

Considering that MNK gets about 18% more out of skill speed and somewhere around 20% less out of crit, why would you prioritize crit over skill speed? Autocrits and crit bonuses hamper the value of crit and Greased Lightning is a flat reduction, so it's pretty hard to see how crit could ever come out on top.

I consider Crit to be ahead of Skill Speed because having too much Skill Speed will run you dry in longer fights no matter how you try and save your TP. Crit is only number 2 because Internal Release renders a low Crit Rate inconsequential. Additionally, the DPS increase from Crit Rate is reliant on RNG no matter how much you tip the scales toward you. Determination is on top because it increases damage you deal from all sources with no RNG involved. Skill Speed is in third because while I don't think it is useless, I do consider it to be the worst stat to focus on, especially since Greased Lightning III gets our GCD so low anyway. A few hundredths of a second really doesn't matter too much, especially since Twin Strikes has had the buff increased to 15 seconds long.

My proposed BiS for Monk...

Here's where personal preference comes into things. For example, I don't consider Skill Speed to be as useless as you suggest it is. The harm is in having too much of it, and I postulate that having too little can be harmful as well. Additionally, just because you claim to have never missed with 469 Accuracy doesn't mean that you could have missed without noticing as such. Granted, 469 is apt to only make you miss "rarely", but lots of people like to guarantee that they won't miss at all.

Conclusion here: Your build is very damaging for those who wish to completely forgo Skill Speed. In addition, a healthy bit of Accuracy food can ensure a no-miss run in Coil. My build has no-miss accuracy without food, so food for increasing Det and Crit can be added instead. I'm no expert on food, but the DPS differences between our two builds is likely negligible when food is put into the equation.

[Viridiana]

Oh? It does not affect autoattack rate? Do you have the data on that?

If he doesn't, I do.

Note, however, that Greased Lightning is different and does affect AA speed.