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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucke View Post
    *INC SCIENCE*
    I soooo love you for this! Once I had a violent arguement with a friend cause of this, he kept saying that races is right, and my scientist teeth were about to chop his head off.
    Besides, I guess you can't expect scientific sense from mmos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucke View Post
    "Races" was prolly used cause it sounds better than "species".

    In before "OMG IT'S A FANTASY"
    'Races' is used over 'species' because it is easiest term to use plus the fact we've been using it in RPG's for 50 years so its just the word we first turn to. Also I hate to go there, as I also think species is the correct term, but its fantasy. 'Species' is more geared towards the sci-fi genre.

    Finally we actually have little to no lore of the origins of the species/races outside of the fact that "Every but elezen migrated to Eorzea", unless I missed something and if I did LINKS PLX I'd love to read it, so how are we to determine if all species/races were birthed from the same mold by a god, or if evolution took hold and Miqo'te are the offspring of some protohumanoid coeurl. For all we know Roegadyn could be amphibians and have just evolved hair and other mammalian traits to attract mates, or confuse predators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucke View Post
    As a biologist, I really dislike SE using "race" to describe the well, species.

    *INC SCIENCE*

    In the game, the races should be called "Species", cause that's what they are. Races are within species. Species cannot cross breed. Birds can't have babies with humans. Humans can't have babies with sharks. HOWEVER, difference races (or breeds) can mate and have children. We see this in dogs. 2 different breeds of dogs mate to create a mixed dog.

    "Races" was prolly used cause it sounds better than "species". The clans are more like races. 2 clans can mate and create hybrid offspring. F'lammin is one NPC who has a Seeker parent and a Keeper parent. She has a Seeker name, but Keeper features (dilated eyes, fangs, etc).

    *END OF SCIENCE!*

    In before "OMG IT'S A FANTASY"
    Yeah, but then they are not separate species are they?
    By your own definitions! Hyur/Elezen (and probably Miqo'te) can all cross-breed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shai View Post
    Yeah, but then they are not separate species are they?
    By your own definitions! Hyur/Elezen (and probably Miqo'te) can all cross-breed.
    Being able to breed does not make them the same species. The question is whether or not their children are fertile. If their children aren't fertile, they likely aren't the same species (but are very closely related, sort of like Horses and Donkeys, which can crossbreed - producing Mules - but their offspring are sterile).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper View Post
    Being able to breed does not make them the same species. The question is whether or not their children are fertile. If their children aren't fertile, they likely aren't the same species (but are very closely related, sort of like Horses and Donkeys, which can crossbreed - producing Mules - but their offspring are sterile).
    That is only assuming that the biology laws of Eorzea work in the same way as they do in our universe. I think the best way to explain this situation is too look at other MMOs.

    TERA for example, as it has been explained through lore and various cross-breed NPCS that, the child always takes the apperance of the mother in regards to what race/species it is while both parents contribute to the lesser genetic makeup (Hair color, eye color, skin color, etc.). Pokemon also works this way so whos to say Eorzea doesn't also work in this fashion? Atleast untill they actually explain where baby Lalgagyns come from..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telsyr View Post
    That is only assuming that the biology laws of Eorzea work in the same way as they do in our universe. I think the best way to explain this situation is too look at other MMOs.

    TERA for example, as it has been explained through lore and various cross-breed NPCS that, the child always takes the apperance of the mother in regards to what race/species it is while both parents contribute to the lesser genetic makeup (Hair color, eye color, skin color, etc.). Pokemon also works this way so whos to say Eorzea doesn't also work in this fashion? Atleast untill they actually explain where baby Lalgagyns come from..
    None of that changes what I said, though. Being able to breed doesn't mean that two things are the same species. The mule example was just an example of the way it works in the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucke View Post
    As a biologist, I really dislike SE using "race" to describe the well, species.

    *INC SCIENCE*

    In the game, the races should be called "Species", cause that's what they are. Races are within species. Species cannot cross breed. Birds can't have babies with humans. Humans can't have babies with sharks. HOWEVER, difference races (or breeds) can mate and have children. We see this in dogs. 2 different breeds of dogs mate to create a mixed dog.

    "Races" was prolly used cause it sounds better than "species". The clans are more like races. 2 clans can mate and create hybrid offspring. F'lammin is one NPC who has a Seeker parent and a Keeper parent. She has a Seeker name, but Keeper features (dilated eyes, fangs, etc).

    *END OF SCIENCE!*

    In before "OMG IT'S A FANTASY"
    or they could be races.. and CAN cross breed.

    no one said they can't
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    Are you legit asking this question? Oh my god I need to find a new game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acaelus View Post
    Are you legit asking this question? Oh my god I need to find a new game.
    It is the Lore section...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyluv View Post
    It is the Lore section...
    My bad, that totally excuses how ridiculous it is. LOL!
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