Sex between the Races Lore?

[LalafellDown]

Miqo'te + Lalafell =

[MikkoAkure]

There is actually a cool theory that au ra are children of bahamut who originally had white scales and this other one who had black scales.
And as far as FFxiv is concerned, dragons are not lizards and more of a race of their own.
And are VERY old and are not from our world.

Shiva fell in love with a dragon who we can only assume was a hyur.
We can assume they probably did lay with each other.

Au ra aren’t related to dragons. That theory was debunked already since the sexes are vastly different sizes in au ra but not dragons, their horns are used for completely different things, and dragons came to the world after the world was already split into shards, yet there’s still a race that looks like au ra on the First.

[Bhearil]

This makes me wonder...was the ancestor of the Miqote a Hrothgar-Hyur hybrid?

Miqo'te hail from Meracydia (mentioned on 2.5) alongside centaurs, an unnamed tree-like race and the Bahamut and Tiamat brood. The "Winded-up Mithra minion" states that the Mithra are supposedly the ancient ancestors of the Miqo'te

[Enkidoh]

Miqo'te hail from Meracydia (mentioned on 2.5) alongside centaurs, an unnamed tree-like race and the Bahamut and Tiamat brood. The "Winded-up Mithra minion" states that the Mithra are supposedly the ancient ancestors of the Miqo'te

The miqo'te coming from the southern islands is an old bit of 1.0 lore that is deliberately vague so take it with a grain of salt (the Dunesfolk lalafell and the ACN class were also supposedly from there as well).

As for the wind-up mithra, that is merely a fanservice reference that is actually a meta one - the original FFXIV races really were created game-development wise based on FFXI's races like the mithra as FFXIV 1.0 originally was planned early in it's development to be FFXI's literal successor, and that then FFXI players would be expected to be moved into the new game with their existing character data intact, hence the character races needed to be similar.

Not surprisingly FFXIV's original producer Hiromichi Tanaka (who was also FFXI's original producer) quickly realized this concept was going to be completely and totally unworkable so that idea was scrapped and FFXI retained as a seperate game, with FFXIV 1.0 considered a spiritual rather than a literal sucessor to FFXI, and the similar races were retained as merely a means of attracting FFXI players into the new game. So the wind up mithra, elvaan and tarutaru minions jokingly refer to this in their flavour text about being "supposed ancestors" of the miqo'te, elezen and lalafell respectively, because they are, from a meta, rather than literal lore point-of-view.

Also the Allagan automata that are still active on Azys Lla refer to the player character's race as is, meaning the FFXIV races existed as they are now at least as early as the Third Astral Era, if not earlier, which makes the descriptions of those minions even more tongue-in-cheek and not to be taken seriously.

[Bhearil]

The Wind-up Mithra is probably a meta joke and theres no real relation between FF11 and FF14 but is still possible that the current races evolved from those, like humans from hominids (and kinda salty that Sun Keepers lack their canon feral claws on their depictionm at least Moon Keepers got their fangs). The southern island parts was seemingly datamined from 2.5 so its probably the (open) canon they have as origin

[YianKutku]

The miqo'te coming from the southern islands is an old bit of 1.0 lore that is deliberately vague so take it with a grain of salt (the Dunesfolk lalafell and the ACN class were also supposedly from there as well).

Minor pedantry: the South Seas Islands (or "Southern Islands" or "South Seas Isles") are supposedly where all Lalafells come from. The ones that went to Vylbrand founded Nym, and when the Sixth Calamity happened, they went back to the South Seas Islands, before returning in the Sixth Astral Era as Plainsfolk (and re-introducing Arcanima to Eorzea, starting from Limsa Lominsa). The ones that went to mainland Aldenard founded Mhach, and when the Sixth Calamity happened, they wandered around the deserts of Thanalan and became Dunesfolk, before founding Belah'dia.

The continent of Meracydia is something entirely different, and implied to be farther south. I think the original 1.0 lore was that Miqo'te come from there, and this remains in some item descriptions that associate Meracydian plants and ingredients with Miqo'te origins.

However, the first lorebook says Miqo'te came from Ilsabard during the Fifth Calamity (of Ice), and then also said Miqo'te were from Eorzea even before that, migrating en masse over to Ilsabard during the Third Astral Era. So that seemed like a retcon.

When asked about this, Koji Fox said that there were lots of "ice ages" where the seas "froze over", and Miqo'te migrated all around during these, so apparently both the Eorzean/Ilsabardian and Meracydian origins are true? Honestly it kind of sounds like he was trying to handwave a vague answer to avoid a straight retcon.

[LineageRazor]

The Wind-up Mithra is probably a meta joke

On the other hand, we know for certain that there's some kind of language drift going on. All the Shards likely had the same name for Mi'qote immediately after the Sundering, and yet in today's world, they are called Mi'qote on the Source, and Mystel on the First.

It's not impossible that that original name was Mithra.

Still meta, of course, but it could be literally true, as well.

[kujoestars]

Au ra aren’t related to dragons. That theory was debunked already since the sexes are vastly different sizes in au ra but not dragons, their horns are used for completely different things, and dragons came to the world after the world was already split into shards, yet there’s still a race that looks like au ra on the First.

Unless dragons could hop between Shards, of course, but I’m still 90% of SB away from ShB so I’m refraining from any further comment on this since I need to see for myself if there are actual dragons there. My other theory is that they evolved from dragon-like reptiles. The Far East does have legends of Shinryu, after all, and if Shinryu actually existed, it’s possible there are dragon-like beings native to the Star.

And I just noticed a response I made to a different post apparently never made it through.

[kujoestars]

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I had a response typed up for this, but it seems to have gotten eaten by the server along the way, so I’m going to attempt to remake it.

First off all, I never said horns themselves are a reptilian trait. I was referring to how Auri hear by vibrations through the jawbone, which is a reptilian trait albeit augmented further with horns. And the article didn’t say horns in general are mammalian, so the assertion before that horns are mainly a mammalian trait is incorrect. Regardless, my focus was on the hearing as opposed to the horns themselves so it’s a moot point.

(re:scutes - scutes are literally modified scales in the case of reptiles and while you would be correct to think part of Au Ra anatomy has it -definitely along the spine- they still canonically have scales that molt in a similar fashion to reptiles. Heck, an entire tribe of Xaela use their shed scales as reinforcement for their canoes, so I would assume when they shed, it’s like a tougher and more waterproof version of snakeskin)

Meta-wise, everyone looks like glorified hoomans to save the devs a lot of modeling headache.

In-universe, I personally think it’s a peculiar case of convergent evolution that most sapient races somehow look like different flavors of human. It’s also worth nothing that just because a species is the only one with a certain trait doesn’t mean it happened with that species. Irl examples of species who are unique in their taxa now but previously shared traits with many others include coelocanths and nautilii. For a period of time, their respective traits were commonplace, but now they’re the only ones with them within their taxonomic classifications. In a similar vein, I would argue there could have been an entire order of scalekin that had horns modified for hearing in prehistoric Hydaelyn that now only persist in the Auri people.

Also, I think the fact we have Miqo’te, who most definitely had a feline ancestor of some sort, and no other cat-like primate (or ape-like feline depending how you want to look at it) lends support to the idea that all Spoken evolved convergently and ended up genetically similar by pure weird fantasy shenanigans, Of course, if we want to go standard Occam’s Razor, for all we know there was some common ancestor that looked nothing like any of the races but branched into them regardless.

And no, I really don’t think Hroth count as cat-apes and if anything, they seem to lend even more support to the whole convergent evolution theory because they likely share a common ancestor with Miqos (possibly Roe too?).

Hybridization in fantasy also means very little because of Weird Magic BS(TM). For all we know, literally all Spoken races are capable of making viable offspring including between men and applicable beastmen, but I doubt anyone is going to bang an Amal’jaa or a Goblin or a Qiqirn to find out.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Unless dragons could hop between Shards, of course, but I’m still 90% of SB away from ShB so I’m refraining from any further comment on this since I need to see for myself if there are actual dragons there.

Spoilers for the Omega storyline:

At the end, Hraesvelgr is able to travel into the Rift to rescue Cid and the WoL after Omega's defeat. However, traveling into the Rift doesn't necessarily mean he could go to another Shard; it's like going for a swim at the beach versus swimming across an ocean. It's also implied that only an excessively powerful dragon like one of the First Brood could do it.