Quick Comparison: Info on POL vs Lodestone

[Frisque]

To put it another way, if FFXI and FFXIV were cars, FFXI is a car that runs great and only needs to be washed every now and then, perhaps replacing an air filter or wiper blades in the process. It's easy to give frequent feedback on general maintenance and detailing. FFXIV, well that's more like a car that is having it's engine rebuilt. It takes a lot longer to accomplish that task, and the wiper blades that everyone is requesting, well they'll just have to consider that when the thing actually runs properly.

I love this analogy! The wipers are important and will be replaced, but there's no point in replacing the wipers until the damn thing runs

[Shai]

Why does it matter how big the overhaul is ... ?

Yoshida has said all along that when things are ready they will try to implement them. Smaller updates over time, rather than larger updates all at once. We're getting a large update (supposedly) and I get that, but the fact that they are changing fundamental aspects of the game gives rise to MORE REASON to be a little more open with the development side.

1. They (allegedly) want feedback. We can't feedback what we don't know. We can only speculate and rumor monger and pull things out of our asses that we wish were true - which is rampant on this forum. At a lack for hard information, we make up our own and that also drives me crazy, by the way.

2. Players making informed decisions!!

Hypothetical R50 Gladiator wants Cure III for his build. Matsui's post indicates that some skills (predominantly high-end) will be locked to the job to make it more distinct and that abilities in general will receive some pre-battle patch tweaking and adjusting to make them compatible. R50 Gladiator has no other use for R48 Conjurer except Cure III. How can he justify spending the time to get to R48 when the ability he wants may disappear? This is a fundamental aspect of the game that may change overnight, and we've been warned (vaguely).

Thief: Effect range for the job abilities Accomplice and Collaborator will be expanded.

This on the other hand isn't going to stop anyone from leveling Thief. It's such a trivial piece of information, but it gives anyone who plays thief or intends to play thief how their style may change EVER SO SLIGHTLY.

Don't pretend the large-scope change gives a good excuse not to be forthcoming with information, when the information is available to the developers and known to be an upcoming change, so too should we be informed so we can make informed decisions about the futures of our characters, and to give feedback on whether the idea sounds like a more fun or purposeful change to the classes we enjoy playing.

Stuff like that can't be that hard. We should stop inferring excuses and start asking for something XI already has - more transparency. If you actually look at the 4 links I've provided and compare them I can't believe you aren't as embarrassed as me that the game that needs more time & development isn't keeping us well informed of how it's going.

That's what I expected from Day 1 Yoshida taking the reigns announcement.

[Firon]

I'm Tried of all the bitching over info, either deal with it or leave i could less if they said something or not as long as my patches are good. All i need to know whats in my patches before they come, That could be the day before the patch for all i care.

[Shai]

I'm Tried of all the bitching over info, either deal with it or leave i could less if they said something or not as long as my patches are good. All i need to know whats in my patches before they come, That could be the day before the patch for all i care.

Sorry, but I want to make informed decisions about the future of my character.

You even playing? or just sitting around waiting for 1.18 to give you something to do?
If that's the case, then you don't need info at all. You just need patches.

I'm still playing, still leveling, still farming abilities for my main that I hope aren't locked in a few weeks.

I'd also like to help develop systems like the job system and transportation issues, but without really knowing what the developers have in mind - all we can do (and have done) is string together random, rampant, often idiotic conjectures.

[Firon]

Sorry, but I want to make informed decisions about the future of my character.

You even playing? or just sitting around waiting for 1.18 to give you something to do?
If that's the case, then you don't need info at all. You just need patches.

I'm still playing, still leveling, still farming abilities for my main that I hope aren't locked in a few weeks.

I'd also like to help develop systems like the job system and transportation issues, but without really knowing what the developers have in mind - all we can do (and have done) is string together random, rampant, often idiotic conjectures.

I'M playing rank 42 pug and also they have already told you jobs will be getting changes to their skill sets but moving along. Comparing updates and screaming for info is not gonna make them give it to you only thing you can do is wait. The devs or reps wont respond to this thread no matter much you ask for info they will only answer legit stuff Like the will weapons be locked onto one class thread etc comparing the info each site gives is not gonna make the devs post info. Beyone has already stated quote your questions a certain way and we will submit them to the devs but all i see is ranting. I have not seen anyone really post any questions about anything.

[Shai]

This thread isn't directed at the Reps specifically, but the general difference between the XI team and the XIV team.

One team is doing a good job and the other is not. I'm making people aware of the difference between the two.

I don't give a crap if they respond to me or not, as long as they understand my desire for change and why I desire it.