Coil Group Composition Advice

[Ehayte]

Hello knowledgeable and friendly cohorts! I posted this in the Dungeons section, but I think that may have been the wrong place!

Quick question, I will try to be succinct as possible. After picking up a set of three syblings unexpectedly, my Coil team is now comprised of

PLD
PLD
WHM
SCH
BLM
BLM
SMN
BRD

I feel like this is bad, lol. Question 1: Is Coil doable with that composition considering the fact that we have low melee dps and we double up on two classes for LB?

Alternatively, I am willing to switch from my i80 PLD to a MNK, and I can get the BLM_01 to switch to WAR, giving me

WAR
PLD
WHM
SCH
MNK
SMN
BLM
BRD

Which I feel is a great Coil team. Is it worth the work for me to switch? I have a MNK @ 21, but a spare Relic oil, 2k philo, and 1200 myth banked, plus all of the dps DL accessories in my bags - so he will be pretty much insta-geared at level 50.

That you very very much for your input in advance, not to be rude but I would appreciate serious input from T4+ Coil raiders, as that's the only portion I'm worried about.

[DoctorPepper]

We typically change it up between turns because people have multiple jobs available but this is what we use for the most part:
PLD
PLD
SCH
WHM
DRG
SMN
BRD
BLM

This setup works great for us, the only changes we really make is mnk instead of drg for t2 for the stun and sometimes we use war instead of pld but that war is very geared. Something to keep in mind is that when you use more than 1 of the same job now it decreases the rate at which your LB builds up. Not that LB is necessary or anything but it certainly helps.

[Hanabira]

i think youre going to be hurting in turn 2 and 4, since the traditional path halves slashing and magic dmg i believe. and for turn 4, handling knights may be bad. since you take about 1k dmg for nuking one.

[Arkista]

My group has

PLD
PLD
WHM
SCH
BLM
BLM
BRD
MNK

That covers ADS silence with PLD/BRD, Keeps the Melee DPS (Me) out of Rot Rotations so can focus on DPS, And it give you x2 magic DMG and x2 Physical DMG for Turn 4

Only thing I can say is that for T4 make sure you have 2 each PHY/MAG DPS or one will be killed faster than the other. As for your tanks and healers that's up to you long as you have one PLD.

Also for T4 make sure your DPS bring appropriate potions INT,DEX,STR don't really need them but it helps a lot and also the best healing potion they can afford. Also we save LB for the last dread most do it another way but for us it works.

[zdub303]

If you plan to ever do twintania per nerf you'll hate yourself having double stacked classes and the LB reduction that comes with it. Early on in progressing the snake phase you'll really want to crutch on the magic LB3 for the snakes.

Your edited team is the composition my coil static runs. It works really well.

[EasymodeX]

Question 1: Is Coil doable with that composition considering the fact that we have low melee dps and we double up on two classes for LB?

A melee LB is very very useful for Coil. I would say that it's not "CRITICAL" for anything except T5. In T5 you "kind of really want" a melee limit break to help avoid the enrage, and simply end the fight faster to avoid any instability in the last phase.

The LB generation will probably makes things a little more difficult throughout all turns, but will not make-or-break.

WAR
PLD
WHM
SCH
MNK
SMN
BLM
BRD

Which I feel is a great Coil team.

It is in general although your AOE DPS is slightly low. For T4 phases 1 and 4 you will need to coordinate your DPS buffs. Specifically you'll probably want to make sure your Bard blows a battle voiced Foe Requiem on p4, and the Monk load up PB rockbreaker on p1. The BLM will want to use RS for p1 and p4 (note this means less ST DPS from the BLM on the Dreadnought, but ohwell -- your other DPS will need to pick up that phase).

Is it worth the work for me to switch?

Shrug, depends on you. If you're really aiming for T5, the latter group comp would probably find the fight a lot more stable with the melee LB. The class stacking itself isn't "really" a game-breaker -- class stacking with lower LB generation simply means your DPS players need to be less bad / be better.

I have a MNK @ 21, but a spare Relic oil, 2k philo, and 1200 myth banked, plus all of the dps DL accessories in my bags - so he will be pretty much insta-geared at level 50.

Monk would want LNC to 34 as well ... have fun, lol.

[Ehayte]

Thank you very much for the helpful advice - doing the work on the Monk is whatever, I feel like its generally pretty easy to level now for my play style.

The only concern I have that you didn't address specifically was the knight/soldier magic/physic damage problem. Is it going to make our lives a living hell trying to get the soldiers down with just double PLDs and a BRD? That was my #1 concern.

[Arkista]

Thank you very much for the helpful advice - doing the work on the Monk is whatever, I feel like its generally pretty easy to level now for my play style.

The only concern I have that you didn't address specifically was the knight/soldier magic/physic damage problem. Is it going to make our lives a living hell trying to get the soldiers down with just double PLDs and a BRD? That was my #1 concern.

That's why I said

And it give you x2 magic DMG and x2 Physical DMG for Turn 4
Only thing I can say is that for T4 make sure you have 2 each PHY/MAG DPS or one will be killed faster than the other. As for your tanks and healers that's up to you long as you have one PLD.

And you don't want x2 Melee DPS on ADS or T4 cause one will have to help pass rot which you would just be better off with a ranged dps. And on T4 having 2 melee DPS is going to hurt you because of the knight/soldier AoEs so its best to have BRD and DRG/MNK and whatever for your 2 magic DPS

[Madoka]

That comp would be fine for everything besides T4. Because of how the knights/soldiers work the only way you could get by effectively with 3 mages is if two of them are SMN. Baned DoTs and Garuda can attack the Knights that otherwise reflect every spell. The soldiers would drop in no time but you'd be having problems with the knights relying on one SMN's bane/garuda and a BRD's dps.

T5 is a different story entirely. Also a melee LB never hurts but isn't required. changing to that 2nd comp would work out better overall.

[Ryans]

Considering the changes with 2.1, I think the ideal setup would be:

PLD
WAR
WHM
SCH
BRDx2
BLM/SMN
MNK/DRG

It would vary by turn though. You don't want two bards for turn 4 and you don't -need- them for turn 2, but it is easier. If you decide to do the enrage turn 2, you could just skip two bards all together and replace them with a caster or melee. It'd probably be best to not have two of any class as it slows the Limit Break bar quite a lot. This is the setup I've always used for 1-4, with a blm and drg as the two optionals. For turn 5, we do pld, war, whm, sch, mnk, drg, smn, brd.