Current BIS for Bard

[Ozpa]

So that means in order to directly compare X Dex/Det against X Crit, you would need to know the current Dex/Det/Crit values, correct?

Can you be more specific please? Do you mean the values of those stats after you gear up? (in the Character->Attributes page)

....the damage formula to find the BiS.

Is there an online damage calculator somewhere?

[Bardo]

Can you be more specific please? Do you mean the values of those stats after you gear up? (in the Character->Attributes page)
Is there an online damage calculator somewhere?

What I mean is, as long as the rest of your stats stay the same, the stat weight for crit actually goes down the more crit you have.
But the stat weight for crit goes UP the more dtr or dex you have.

For example:
Let's say you have Hero's Necklace of Aiming(13dex,11dtr,11ss) and Allagan Choker of Aiming(13dex,11crit,16ss).
Which is better?
To answer that question correctly we have to know what the dex/crit/dtr/ss is on the rest of your gear.
If you had low-ish dex/dtr and very high crit, Hero's would be better.
If you had high dex/dtr and low crit, allagan would be the correct choice hands down.

I don't know about an online damage calculator per se, but there are several people who have created matlab simulation programs in order to approximate the damage formulas like EasymodeX, Eein, and Kenji.
Damage Formula Thread
Estimated Damage Formula:
(WD*.2714745 + DEX*.1006032 + (DTR-202)*.0241327 + WD*DEX*.0036167 + WD*(DTR-202)*.0010800 - 1) * (potency/100)
(WD*.2714745 + DEX*.1006032 + (DTR-202)*.0241327 + WD*DEX*.0036167 + WD*(DTR-202)*.0022597 - 1) * (weapon_delay/3)

And there are resources like this one that you've seen mentioned in this thread many times that let you directly compare gearsets against each other:
FFXIV Gear Calculator

[Ozpa]

Hmmm, can't you then work out an optimal dex/det/crit balance (ilvl90 gear that you shuffle around for those stats) this way? If you do, then you could work out a bis to attain those stats ~.

[Bardo]

Hmmm, can't you then work out an optimal dex/det/crit balance (ilvl90 gear that you shuffle around for those stats) this way? If you do, then you could work out a bis to attain those stats ~.

You could figure out the item budget for secondary stats in each slot and then calculate an optimal crit/det ratio for i90 gear specifically if you could actually just have crit/det on every piece...
But since we only have 2 choices for i90 in most slots (3 in a few accessory slots) and nearly 80% of those pieces have either acc or ss on them, you can't come anywhere close to that "ideal" ratio.
And you can't simply choose the set closest to that ratio because you can't ignore Accuracy (for Coil set) and Skillspeed.

There are 27,648 possible combinations of i90 Bard items with Allagan Bow including the 4 main HQ food choices we have.
I suppose you could spreadsheet the combinations, sort them by accuracy to weed out anything below 472 and choose the set with the closest crit/det ratio to the ideal, but that would still ignore Skillspeed and River of Blood.
Better to use simulation software for this kind of thing (which has already been worked on by several members here).

There are several competing BiS Coil sets floating around:
Hoplite - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LG58
NightWrath - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LG48
BrandoH - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LMKI

I haven't seen anyone mention a BiS list for outside coil, but I'd imagine you just stick with Allagan bow and then try to ignore as much ACC as you possibly can since it is an entirely wasted stat:
Bardo - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LSX0

[Reudrocent]

These formulas can not be 100% accurate because of the way Bloodletter works. You can not simply say this is the Bards DPS because you're not accounting for the extra attacks that are coming when it procs.

[Viridiana]

These formulas can not be 100% accurate because of the way Bloodletter works. You can not simply say this is the Bards DPS because you're not accounting for the extra attacks that are coming when it procs.

You misunderstand the intent of the formulas Bardo posted. They're only intended to tell you how much damage any one attack will do. It's up to the user to then determine what an actual combat scenario would look like according to a separate model. Combining the above damage formulas with an accurate model of combat in general will then give you the tools you need to determine accurate weights. The weights will only be as accurate as the models for combat and for damage, though.

[Alcyon1]

BrandoH - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LMKI

I will never understand why people are trying so much to be at 473 acc. 450 is enough for T5 (99.7%-99.8% when you are not using your CD's).

[Bardo]

I will never understand why people are trying so much to be at 473 acc. 450 is enough for T5 (99.7%-99.8% when you are not using your CD's).

I always thought it was because it gave you the highest per-point dps increase until you got to cap.
But new data seems to show that auto attack and skills don't share the same accuracy requirements? So I'm not sure how "accurate" that idea is anymore.

My data seems to be pretty far removed from yours though. If I dip down into the 450's I get far more than 0.3% miss rate on turn5. I've seen closer to 2% miss-rate in the 450's.

[Ooshima]

Depends on how good your group is, maybe. I can even get away in BC even in Elfin Bow at 416. That wasn't intentional thou, I just forgot to change my weapon to Artemis Zenith.

[Alcyon1]

My data seems to be pretty far removed from yours though. If I dip down into the 450's I get far more than 0.3% miss rate on turn5. I've seen closer to 2% miss-rate in the 450's.

Checked 2 days ago (we gave a run to newcomers on T5), at 449 my miss-rate was between 0.2 and 1% over a few tries. When we killed it, my miss-rate was a bit lower than 1%.

I'm always behind Twintania, I'm always 2nd in hate in P1 and P2 (I leave the adds earlier and sometimes don't even DPS the conflags) to never be jailed and to be able to use songs needed (we are 2 meless, 1 BRD and 1BLM and the PT are running fast). Next time, I should check in details, but I wouldn't be surprised if i miss a lot against the snakes, since I don't try to be behind.

If you are on the side, of course you will need more accuracy.