Current BIS for Bard

[Ozpa]

Are the stat weights for bards worked out? Curious how much is 1 DEX translated into Crit/Det.

Also, it's almost impossible to work out a BIS list if you can't translate stat weight to and from each other, I mean if you really want to squeeze out max dps possible.

[Bardo]

Are the stat weights for bards worked out? Curious how much is 1 DEX translated into Crit/Det.

Det and Dex are an additive increase in dmg.
Crit is multiplicative.
So that means in order to directly compare X Dex/Det against X Crit, you would need to know the current Dex/Det/Crit values, correct?

So aren't static stat weights pretty much a farce?

Also, it's almost impossible to work out a BIS list if you can't translate stat weight to and from each other, I mean if you really want to squeeze out max dps possible.

Not really. We don't have many i90 gear choices, so you can just do a permutation for every possible gear setup and plug the values into the damage formula to find the BiS.

[Ozpa]

So that means in order to directly compare X Dex/Det against X Crit, you would need to know the current Dex/Det/Crit values, correct?

Can you be more specific please? Do you mean the values of those stats after you gear up? (in the Character->Attributes page)

....the damage formula to find the BiS.

Is there an online damage calculator somewhere?

[Bardo]

Can you be more specific please? Do you mean the values of those stats after you gear up? (in the Character->Attributes page)
Is there an online damage calculator somewhere?

What I mean is, as long as the rest of your stats stay the same, the stat weight for crit actually goes down the more crit you have.
But the stat weight for crit goes UP the more dtr or dex you have.

For example:
Let's say you have Hero's Necklace of Aiming(13dex,11dtr,11ss) and Allagan Choker of Aiming(13dex,11crit,16ss).
Which is better?
To answer that question correctly we have to know what the dex/crit/dtr/ss is on the rest of your gear.
If you had low-ish dex/dtr and very high crit, Hero's would be better.
If you had high dex/dtr and low crit, allagan would be the correct choice hands down.

I don't know about an online damage calculator per se, but there are several people who have created matlab simulation programs in order to approximate the damage formulas like EasymodeX, Eein, and Kenji.
Damage Formula Thread
Estimated Damage Formula:
(WD*.2714745 + DEX*.1006032 + (DTR-202)*.0241327 + WD*DEX*.0036167 + WD*(DTR-202)*.0010800 - 1) * (potency/100)
(WD*.2714745 + DEX*.1006032 + (DTR-202)*.0241327 + WD*DEX*.0036167 + WD*(DTR-202)*.0022597 - 1) * (weapon_delay/3)

And there are resources like this one that you've seen mentioned in this thread many times that let you directly compare gearsets against each other:
FFXIV Gear Calculator

[Reudrocent]

These formulas can not be 100% accurate because of the way Bloodletter works. You can not simply say this is the Bards DPS because you're not accounting for the extra attacks that are coming when it procs.

[Mikedizzy]

I have written down the stats for "ALL Myth Gear" set up and "ALL Allagan Gear" set up for Bard and they really seem to be close:
DEX & VIT are the same on both gear we all know that.
MYTH ALLAGAN
ACC 81 71
CRIT 173 111
DET 44 34
SKl SP 43 130
Does that much skill speed on Allagan gear trump the Crit that the Myth has over Allagan??
Is the 9 DET really even a "major" factor in all this???

[KyroeFelix]

I have written down the stats for "ALL Myth Gear" set up and "ALL Allagan Gear" set up for Bard and they really seem to be close:
DEX & VIT are the same on both gear we all know that.
MYTH ALLAGAN
ACC 81 71
CRIT 173 111
DET 44 34
SKl SP 43 130
Does that much skill speed on Allagan gear trump the Crit that the Myth has over Allagan??
Is the 9 DET really even a "major" factor in all this???

From everything I've read, that much Skl Spd is really only going to help you burn your tp faster. Does 60 crit make a huge difference when trying to get Bloodletter refresh procs? I'm not sure. As I understand brd, you want to max crit and then determination, after you reach whatever acc cap you need. Skl spd is just a bonus. There are crit/det foods out there, so maybe try experimenting.

I almost have a full myth set and will probably use Allagan as a Skl spd set or replace a couple pieces of myth that don't have det on them at all, like the brd feet.

[Ozpa]

Hmmm, can't you then work out an optimal dex/det/crit balance (ilvl90 gear that you shuffle around for those stats) this way? If you do, then you could work out a bis to attain those stats ~.

[Bardo]

Hmmm, can't you then work out an optimal dex/det/crit balance (ilvl90 gear that you shuffle around for those stats) this way? If you do, then you could work out a bis to attain those stats ~.

You could figure out the item budget for secondary stats in each slot and then calculate an optimal crit/det ratio for i90 gear specifically if you could actually just have crit/det on every piece...
But since we only have 2 choices for i90 in most slots (3 in a few accessory slots) and nearly 80% of those pieces have either acc or ss on them, you can't come anywhere close to that "ideal" ratio.
And you can't simply choose the set closest to that ratio because you can't ignore Accuracy (for Coil set) and Skillspeed.

There are 27,648 possible combinations of i90 Bard items with Allagan Bow including the 4 main HQ food choices we have.
I suppose you could spreadsheet the combinations, sort them by accuracy to weed out anything below 472 and choose the set with the closest crit/det ratio to the ideal, but that would still ignore Skillspeed and River of Blood.
Better to use simulation software for this kind of thing (which has already been worked on by several members here).

There are several competing BiS Coil sets floating around:
Hoplite - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LG58
NightWrath - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LG48
BrandoH - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LMKI

I haven't seen anyone mention a BiS list for outside coil, but I'd imagine you just stick with Allagan bow and then try to ignore as much ACC as you possibly can since it is an entirely wasted stat:
Bardo - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LSX0

[Alcyon1]

BrandoH - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LMKI

I will never understand why people are trying so much to be at 473 acc. 450 is enough for T5 (99.7%-99.8% when you are not using your CD's).