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    what u do agains 3 class with sleep 1 tank? inclusive sprint all the day long
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    Dont all stand on top of each other. Dont stand on top of your healer. Dont have your healer be retarded and run into the enemy team. Make them waste their swiftcasts then esuna/purify out of the sleep then use then abuse the fact that most blms are fairly meh and think their class is just sleep and save a stun for when they use surecast. Actually use your gap closers correctly instead of initiating with them. Then its just understanding who needs to deal with who.

    WHM BLM BLM is not that hard to deal with. At lower PvP levels they're going to do 1 thing because most BLMs are bad. At higher PvP levels you'll have access to certain PvP skills that make sleep even less of an issue.

    Also Black Drops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnipsel View Post
    what u do agains 3 class with sleep 1 tank? inclusive sprint all the day long
    The great thing about sleep is that the moment you're slept and purify to wake up, you get hit with a reasonable timer of 15 secs which you should really see as 13 secs.
    I think if anything should be fixed it should be sleep resist timer and the resist build up should be reset far later than it is at the moment but imho the materia slot use/lack of resist atm warrants the current sleep time. We don't know if we'll have a 50% resistance or 50% effect time.
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    My prediction: SE will keep war amazingly devastating in PvP so later down the line you must do lolPvE to get PvP stuff... and that will fix the 'lack of tank' issues. /pets cat.

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    No sleep is not fine! and how is you getting sleep YOUR fault the only defense for sleep is purify after that your screwed, unless your team keeps the blm or whm tied down they will simply sleep you over and over easily done by a decent blm!


    No, the number 1 defense for sleep is avoidance. Too many people pay no attention to the position of a whm or blm or rush right it, see it over and over every day. After avoidance you then have purify, esuna and leeches. You can also use food and materia buffs to help manage sleep. Many sleeps are wasted when you have pugs with multiple BLM or a BLM and WHM as sleeps on tops of sleeps= diminishings and a waste of a good CC. Over and over? Not with diminishings and smart gameplay/movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post

    No, the number 1 defense for sleep is avoidance. Too many people pay no attention to the position of a whm or blm or rush right it, see it over and over every day. After avoidance you then have purify, esuna and leeches. You can also use food and materia buffs to help manage sleep. Many sleeps are wasted when you have pugs with multiple BLM or a BLM and WHM as sleeps on tops of sleeps= diminishings and a waste of a good CC. Over and over? Not with diminishings and smart gameplay/movement.
    Have you even played against a premade with 2 blm's and 1 whm and a war? Honestly don't lie. You can not avoid "Sleep" from 3 mages sprinting with swift cast. 3/4 of them has a sleep, 3/4 has swift cast chain sleep with sprint, 2/4 has a aoe sleep and on top of that the War will instantly run up to your range dps and homg and drop him. You will not "avoid" the sleep or anything else at all

    I have never played any pvp where a sleep can last 45 secs or can be recasted constantly over and over. It only takes a team 2-10secs to drop one person without getting healed. Honestly if you have to seriously buy a specific materia and stack it just for sleep, it means Sleep is over powered. Why do you think no one complains about bind, blind, or even STUN locked, because none of them has a 30sec+ duration.

    No wonder you don't mind... Just looked at the class you play... BLM... lol figures...
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    Have you even played against a premade with 2 blm's and 1 whm and a war?


    I have played hundreds of pug matches and have come up against 2 blms on more than 1 occasion with a whm (and have won some of these)- not sure how many times a warrior was involved.

    You can not avoid "Sleep" from 3 mages sprinting with swift cast. You will not "avoid" the sleep or anything else at all


    Never said it could be avoided 100% of the time (just that avoidance is best defense) and this is where the mitigation I mentioned comes in- purify, esuna, leeches, buffs.... FYI- I find your above scenario easier to manage than one BLM as they are usually casting over one another creating diminishings quite quickly and doing less damage compared to other classes due to focusing on CC.


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    I have never played any pvp where a sleep can last 45 secs

    Either have I, including this game- there is no 45 sec sleep.
    or can be recasted constantly over and over.

    Sleep can be cast over and over, it just takes a cast time (that can be interrupted after swiftcast and nightwing) and diminishings begin exponentially on the 2nd cast and the target will become immune. No sense in casting over and over and usually this is impossible even if I wanted to due to casting time, the bounty on my head, and interrupts and stuns.
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    It only takes a team 2-10secs to drop one person without getting healed.

    I would disagree that this is the norm.
    Honestly if you have to seriously buy a specific materia and stack it just for sleep, it means Sleep is over powered.

    You do not. I mentioned several mitagations and this was only 1 of them. I purchase stun resist not sleep resist items even though I have the same chance at being slept by a blm or whm that you do.
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